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Re: choH vs. choHmoH

Andrà MÃller ([email protected]) 

Facebook is not an activity, it's a website. When you speak about buttons,
people's accounts, user pics, they're clearly presented locally on Facebook.
{-Daq} is very appropriate here.
- André

2010/1/31 Lucas Big-Guy <[email protected]>

> About the Facebook thing, {-Daq} is locative, Facebook is not a location,
> but an activity.
> L.
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM, David Trimboli <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On 1/30/2010 6:54 PM, André Müller wrote:
> > > 2) I was going through my dictionary to find more {moH}-verbs that
> derive
> > > from transitive ones and I've come across {muv} (join) and {muvmoH}
> > > (recruit). I think, we don't have any canon examples, or do we? Voragh?
> > > I always assumed, {muv} would be transitive, but now I see, this might
> > not
> > > be the case, cause:
> > >
> > > If {muv} would be transitive "to join sth.", then {muvmoH} would mean
> "to
> > > cause to be joined" and its direct object would have to be a group or
> > > society like Starfleet, Facebook or maybe a party. Then the translation
> > that
> > > Okrand gave us, "recruit" would be quite misleading.
> > > If {muv} is intransitive "to join", then {muvmoH} simply means "to
> cause
> > so.
> > > to join". The group or society being joined would have to be expressed
> > with
> > > {-Daq}... or maybe {-vaD}.
> >
> > No, if {muv} means "join something," then my {-moH} theory would work
> > exactly the same as with {ghoj} "learn something."
> >
> >    Hol Daghoj
> >    you learn the language
> >
> >    Hol DaghojmoH
> >    you teach the language
> >    (you cause a change of condition in which someone unstated learns
> >    the language)
> >
> >    puqvaD Hol DaghojmoH
> >    you teach the child the language
> >    (you cause a change of condition, for the benefit of the child, in
> >    which someone whose identity contexts tells you is the child learns
> >    the language)
> >
> >    mangghom Damuv
> >    you join the army
> >
> >    mangghom DamuvmoH
> >    you recruit (someone) into the army
> >    (you cause a change of condition in which someone unstated joins the
> >    army)
> >
> >    ta'vaD mangghom DamuvmoH
> >    you recruit (someone) into the army for the Emperor
> >    (you cause a change of condition, for the benefit of the emperor, in
> >    which someone unstated joins the army)
> >
> > (Notice how {-vaD} didn't fit into a nice, neat, packaged formula here?)
> >
> > > Thus, we made quite a bunch of mistakes in the Klingon translation of
> > > Facebook, there we have:
> > >
> > > Facebook yImuv! = Join Facebook!
> > > FacebookDaq juppu'lI' tImuvmoH! = Invite your friends to join Facebook!
> > >
> > > But now I think it should rather be:
> > >
> > > FacebookDaq yImuv! = Join (in) Facebook!
> > > FacebookDaq juppu'lI' tImuvmoH! = Let your friends join (in) Facebook!
> > > [literally]
> >
> > No, it'd be
> >
> >    Facebook yImuv!
> >    join Facebook
> >
> >    juppu'lI'vaD Facebook yImuvmoH!
> >    make your friends join Facebook
> >    (for your friends, cause a change in which someone determined by
> >    context, obviously your friends, joins Facebook)
> >
> > > Oh my... if that's true, quite a bunch of translations have to be
> > changed.
> >
> > Yes, we've been operating on the "subject causes object to verb"
> > paradigm for a very long time.
> >
> > --
> > SuStel
> > http://www.trimboli.name/
> >
> >
> >
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