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Re: The topic marker -'e'

ghunchu'wI' 'utlh (

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Christopher Doty <> wrote:
> Dude. I am not getting paid to teach you linguistics.

Your linguistic knowledge is leading you astray in this case. You're
bringing in concepts from outside Klingon grammar, based on a use of
terms in TKD that are intended for people who don't already "know"
what they mean. This is a recipe for much confusion. Klingon and Zen
don't seem like a good match, but try to let go of the baggage you're
attaching to words like "subject" and "perfective". Just pretend they
don't have meaning outside what TKD describes, and I think you'll have
a much easier time with things.

[regarding {mapum Sor}]

> Because you decided that Sor was a subject (and a 1pl subject at that)
> a priori.

Actually, he decided that {Sor} was a subject because it followed the
verb. That's where subjects go in a Klingon sentence. He treated it as
first-person plural because the verb prefix says that's what the
subject is. There are no examples in the Klingon canon of such
sentences, but it is a defensible interpretation. True, it is not a
widely accepted interpretation, but it has a sound basis.

I hope that helps you understand where the reason for his decision
{wIvna'} differs significantly from your "decision" {wIvqoq}.

-- ghunchu'wI'

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