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Re: The topic marker -'e'

Christopher Doty (suomichris@gmail.com)



Yes, well, robots made more sense than trees...

3plS is "third plural subject" (subject being from intransitive verbs,
and distinct from "agent" for transitive verbs).

Chris

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 22:18, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> But we cannot translate "maHoH Sor" into English as "We kill robots".
> What does "3plS" mean? I assume that "3pl" is "third person plural". "ma-"
> is 1st person plural-no object.
> lay'tel SIvten
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> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> If, as you say:
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>> ma-pum  Sor
>> 3plS-accuse   tree
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>> could mean "We trees accuse," then
>>
>> ma-HoH Sor
>> 3plS-kill tree
>>
>> could mean "We trees kill."  We could translate this into English as
>> "We kill robots," which mean that we are robots and kill things.
>> Actually, more analogous given word order differences would be "Robots
>> we kill."
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>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 21:49, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Now you've totally lost me.
>> > lay'tel SIvten
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>> > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
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>> >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 20:25, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I don't see any connection between what I suggested and "We kill
>> robots".
>> >> In
>> >> > the first case, there are two subjects (ma- "we", Sor "tree(s)"), and
>> >> since
>> >> > they are both subjects, simply equate them; interpret them as meaning
>> the
>> >> > same thing.
>> >> > Your example of "We kill robots" is totally different. There is one
>> >> subject
>> >> > and one object. There is no justification for equating "we" with
>> >> "robots".
>> >> > lay'tel SIvten
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>> >> These are exactly the same if the interpretation of "pum" is as the verb
>> >> accuse.
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