tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Dec 06 08:33:17 2007
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Re: Basic grammar question
Voragh:
> > Looking elsewhere, I found three different methods for handling
> > multiple nouns with other Type 5 (syntactic marker) noun suffixes:
> >
> > [....]
> > juHqo' Qo'noSvo' loghDaq lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu'
> > During the (aggressive) expansion of the Klingon people
> > from their homeworld of Kronos into space... SP1
> >
> > {juHqo' Qo'noSvo'} "from the homeworld QonoS" = apposition with one
> > suffix on the second noun
Sustel:
>nouns. However, canonical evidence would suggest that the nouns need to
>be part of the same semantic class â?" beneficiaries are conjoined with
>beneficiaries, locations are conjoined with locations, but locations are
>not conjoined with places you're going away from (and so on).
ghunchu'wI':
>>There's also the {tIngvo' 'evDaq chanDaq} idiom, with no
>>conjunction. The words are simply placed in sequence, implying
>>a sequence of motion.
I wouldn't really have expected a conjunction. They are both just more
complicated versions of the multiple place stamp we've seen in:
naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
Can we get to the Great Hall from here? PK
In fact, it used to be even more complicated: {tIngvo' 'evDaq 'evvo'
chanDaq}. Okrand discussed the idiom on startrek.klingon (21 Nov. 1999):
There is an idiomatic expression still heard with reasonable frequency
which makes use of all three cardinal direction terms: {tIngvo' 'evDaq
chanDaq}. Literally, this means "from area-southwestward to area-north-
westward to area eastward", but the idiom means "all around, all over,
all over the place". It is used in the same place in a sentence that
the noun {Dat} "everywhere" might be used, but it is much more emphatic:
{tIngvo' 'evDaq chanDaq jIlengpu'} "I've traveled all over the place."
A more archaic form of the idiom is {tIngvo' 'evDaq 'evvo' chanDaq}
(literally, "from area-southwestward to area-northwestward, from area-
northwestward to area eastward"), but the three-word version (without
the repetition of {'ev}) has all but totally replaced it.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons