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Re: Basic grammar question

Steven Boozer (sboozer@uchicago.edu)



SuStel:
> > Now, before you go taking this as evidence for your theoretical *{maleng
> > qorDu'wIj jIH je}, answer this: according to your model, how would you
> > translate "The captain gave me and the other officers medals"? Using our
> > customary methods, I can think of two distinct ways (not counting
> > variations with the prefix trick).

Qang qu'wI':
>jIHvaD Degh nob HoD. latlh yaSpu'vaD Deghmey nob je.
>
>I'm not entirely sure about disributing the {-vaD} through nouns joined with
>je, but possibly also:
>
>latlh yaSpu'vaD jIHvaD je Deghmey nob HoD.

A work around might be a parenthetical appositional comment:

   maHvaD (jIH latlh yaSpu' je) Deghmey nob HoD.
   The captain gave us (me and the other officers) medals.

that is if Klingon doesn't require repeating the suffix inside the 
parentheses as well. <g>

P.S.  I checked my notes and could find no examples of a joint/compound 
object using {-vaD}.  Looking elsewhere, I found three different methods 
for handling multiple nouns with other Type 5 (syntactic marker) noun suffixes:

   poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
   The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9

{poSDaq nIHDaq je}  "on the left (side) and on the right (side)" - repeat 
the suffix on both nouns

   juHqo' Qo'noSvo' loghDaq lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu'
   During the (aggressive) expansion of the Klingon people
   from their homeworld of Kronos into space...  SP1

{juHqo' Qo'noSvo'} "from the homeworld QonoS" = apposition with one suffix 
on the second noun

   quwargh tach Qe' je qoDDaq Hov leng Soj DatIv
   Enjoy Star Trek themed food and drink at Quark's
   Bar and Restaurant.  STX

{<quwargh tach Qe' je> qoDDaq} "in the interior of <Quark's bar and 
restaurant>" - place the suffix on an "area noun" used with the multiple 
nouns linked by {je}




--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons






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