tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Sep 30 16:41:11 2008
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RE: Styling a Title
To ghunchu'wI'
Thank you for your coherent reply. I conclude that Voragh's Klingon is
better than his English. Your explanation suggests he means not "Ca'Non
Master of the Klingons," but "Master of the Klingon Ca'Non." However, as
an editor I would suggest you avoid combining languages unless necessary,
and simply say, "Master of the Klingon Canon," or the fully Klingon
version of this (which you no doubt know better than I do), with its
cognates Ca'Non and Canon being then functional, instead of ornamental.
I thank you also for the vocabulary terms.
Christopher
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On Tue, September 30, 2008 2:03 pm, Steven Boozer wrote:
> Christopher:
>>> As to the Master of the Klingons, I will not be impressed unless
>>> you can tell me where the plot of beloved Klingon Homeworld dirt is
>>> located on this planet. Until then, brush up on your Shakespeare
>>> - I do not accept your authority, and your claim is without honor.
>
> ghunchu'wI':
>> I believe you've misread Voragh's signature. He calls himself the
>> "Ca'Non Master" -- a play on the term "canon" meaning the definitive
>> works of an author. In this case, it refers to his demonstrated
>> knowledge of and ability to provide quotes from and references to
>> just about anything written about Klingon by Marc Okrand (and
>> others). Note that he has *demonstrated* this, for more years than
>> he might want to admit.
>
> For those who've wondered... I started calling myself that as a joke
> because in the TV episodes (1) many Klingon names have an apostrophe in
> the middle to make them look more "alien"; and (2) Klingon "masters" are
> known to exist (e.g. Basai Master [a type of poet emeritus in DS9 "Looking
> for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places"] and Dahar Master [old Kor was one
> in DS9 "Blood Oath"; {Da'ar} is apparently a Klingon martial art]).
>
> ghunchu'wI':
>> You're new here, and you are certainly
>> entitled to reserve judgement about anyone's "authority" -- but you
>> should probably hold of on *challenging* authority until you have
>> spent some time getting acquainted with the regular participants here.
>
> When Christopher's ready to do that in Klingon, here's some vocabulary
> that's not in _The Klingon Dictionary_ he might want to use:
>
> KGT 157: {ngup}: Literally meaning "cape}, this slang term is an example
> of metonymy, whereby one word (or phrase) stands for another with which it
> is associated. In this case, the leader of the Klingon High Council
> typically wears a ceremonial cape. The slang sense of {ngup} does not
> refer only to this position on the High Council, however, but to anyone in
> power or even to "the power structure." Someone unsatisfied with the
> status quo, a rebel, might be said to want to {ngup qaD} ("challenge those
> in charge"; literally, "challenge the cape") Nonslang equivalents of ngup
> are woQ (authority, political power) and qum (government)." (KGT 157)
>
> HQ 12.3:9: The idea expressed by "exceed one's authority" might be
> translated {wogh} "transgress, do more than is acceptable". {bIwogh},
> literally "you transgress" or "you do more than is acceptable", is
> probably best translated idiomatically as "you go too far".
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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