tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jun 11 16:05:22 2002
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Re: ??HolDaq
DloraH wrote:
> > Sooo... how does -Daq imply physical locality more in this latter case
> > than in the former? Just curious as to your thots on the matter.
>
>It doesn't.
>
>-Daq doesn't work on everything. At the time I wrote that I was thinking of
>the example /qep'a'Daq jIjeS/. qep'a' takes place at a set location; it is
>possible to be phyically at that location.
We actually have an example of this. Okrand wrote SuStel in Nov. 1996 on
the old MSN-sponsored newsgroup startrek.expert-forum, mentioning how
impressed he was at seeing Klingon used during qep'a' wejDIch (the Third
Annual KLI Conference):
jabbI'IDlIj vIlaDpu'. qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol
HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je. tIv'eghtaH je. vaj SuquvmoH.
The only oddity is his putting {-Daq} on the ordinal number {wejDIch}
"third". Is this a clue that ordinals can take noun suffixes? At the
time, SuStel interpreted {qep'a' wejDIch} as being a proper noun, like most
named academic conferences in academia Okrand would have been familiar
with, and was therefore an exception: i.e. "at The Third [KLI]
Conference". Either way, this allows us to talk about places within the
First City, the Klingon capital:
veng wa'DIchDaq 'oHtaH yejquv vaS'a''e' noy.
The famous Great Hall of the High Council is located in the First City.
>I like charghwI's option using -vaD. I also wonder if -'e' could be used.
>But whether you use -Daq, -vaD, or -'e', jeS looks like it doesn't take a
>direct object.
Agreed. We have no official, acknowledged canon using {jeS}
"participate". We do, however, have two examples used in the "Star Trek:
The Experience" communique which I believe to be by Okrand (AFAIK, no one
has ever asked Okrand whether he wrote it unfortunately):
laS veghaS HIltonDaq «Hov leng: yIjeSchu'» qaSchoHmo', bIlopqu'meH
HIlton yIghoS
Come celebrate the grand opening of "Star Trek: The Experience" at the
Las Vegas
Hilton.
Ambiguous. The imperative {yI-} is used with and without an object.
tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bIyIn jeSlaHpa' Hoch
Be the first to journey to the 24th century.
No object: "[in] the 24th Terran century, you will live before everyone
[else] can participate".
(BTW, if Okrand attends this year's qep'a', could someone ask him about
this text? I'll send you the complete text of this - and two other
possible texts I've been wondering about for several years now - so you can
show him. Contact me off-list.)
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons