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Re: <tlhIngan maH> geocache

MorphemeAddict ([email protected]) 

The 'y' is the only symbol composed of two superimposed symbols, namely two
versions of the symbol used for aeou, with one for e without change and the
other rotated about 3/8 of a full turn.
The symbol for 'v' is also different from all the others, in that it is
altered (the lower curve of the symbol for l (and bp) was removed) and not
just reflected or rotated.
lay'tel SIvten

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is indeed the case that the upper-case symbols are KLi pIqaD, and the
> lower-case ones  primarily Skybox pIqaD and Mandel Klinzhai.  Some symbols
> look rather messy, as though they were created by rotating one symbol and
> gluing it onto another.
> I believe this mapping is unique to this font, which pops up every now and
> then.  I don't know who created it or for what purpose.
>
> You can see how the keys are mapped by referring to the image attached to
> my previous e-mail; the two Notepad windows contain the same text, except
> with different fonts.
> ...and as you say, some keys map to the same symbol, so I initially got
> some words like "hekted" and "Chanm".
>
> //loghaD
> ________________________________________
> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf
> of MorphemeAddict [[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 19:54
>  To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: <tlhIngan maH> geocache
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Okay, I get:
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > Chang
> > ....ship lost
> > retrieve... beat humans
> > device needed by emperor
> >
> > "device needed by empire", not "... emperor".
>
> Working from this interpretation backward, I get a nearly one-to-one
> mapping
> of this pseudo-pIqaD to English. However, the 'm' is the same as 'g', and
> the 'n' is the same as 'h'.
> The first word, "Chang" above, is odd. The first letter is KLI pIqaD 'ch',
> not the 'c' used in the rest of the message, but it's followed by 'h',
> which
> is also 'n'. I.e., the first word can be transliterated as "ch h/n a h/n
> g/m" and interpreted as "Chang".
> The 'S' in "Search" is the KLI pIqaD 'S', not the 's' used in the rest of
> the message.
> The digits in the last line are from the Klinzhai symbols (per Wikipedia).
> All of the symbols except 'Ch' in "Chang", 'S' in "Search", and "Smt" in
> the
> last line are from the 10-symbol Skybox symbol set with rotated, reflected,
> and slightly altered variants. Only the 'c' is totally new to me, i.e.,
> it's
> not in any of the symbol sets that I'm aware of.
> It's possible that case is relevant here, using KLI pIqaD for uppercase
> when
> appropriate.
> Is this mapping used anywhere else?
>
> lay'tel SIvten
>
> >
> > Search
> > 17SMT0037100759
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > I have no idea what to do with that code, however.  It could be wrong;
> the
> > KlingonTNG font doesn't have a one-to-one correspondence between unicode
> > symbols and Klingon ones, but I think that's the only one that works.
> >
> > //loghaD
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on
> behalf
> > of Felix Malmenbeck [[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 16:00
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: <tlhIngan maH> geocache
> >
> > I believe it's an English transcription using the font Altsys
> > Metamorphosis:KlingonTNG; I'm currently trying to decipher it.
> >
> > //loghaD
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on
> behalf
> > of lojmIt tI'wI' nuv [[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 15:48
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: <tlhIngan maH> geocache
> >
> > I'm moderately good at reading pIqaD. There are several characters here
> > I've never seen before and can't guess what it might be a strange
> variation
> > on.
> >
> > The characters I do recognize spell out the following, with question
> marks
> > next to characters I can't make out and wild guesses in parentheses:
> >
> > chw?wy
> > ... (r)wgh? ??(r)?
> > ?l??ghl?l ... ?l?? w?y?l(r)
> > ?l?gh?l wll?l? ?? ly?gh?l
> >
> > Sl???w
> > ??Smt????????I?
> >
> > I think it is safe to say that either this is completely greeked, or it
> is
> > using a font that is not related to Lawrence's KLI font with a mapping
> that
> > is not what we've come to know.
> >
> > I agree that it's not written in Klingon. The size of the words suggests
> > otherwise. Two and four letter words are uncommon in Klingon and there
> are a
> > disproportionate number of them in this message.
> >
> > lojmit tI'wI'nuv
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
> >
> > > <<tlhIngan maH!>> geocache Daq Quv lugh vItu'laHta':
> > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC23Q0A
> > > 'ej pIqaD ghItlh Quv:
> > > http://www.localbizbits.com/geocaching/transmission.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > > From the length of the words in both fonts, this could be
> transliterated
> > English.  (Paramount often did this for "Klingon" graphics on TNG.)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Voragh
> > > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> > >
> > >
> > >> De'vetlh vIpoS 'e' vInIDDI', vaj jang De'wI': Cache is Unpublished
> > >> jIyajbe'. Do'Ha' jIQaHlaHbe'.
> > >>
> > >> latlh DaqDaq De' Dacha'laH'a'?
> > >>
> > >> Quvar.
> > >>
> > >>> I was recently contacted to help decipher the pIqaD text for the
> > >>> tlhIngan maH geocache thing:
> > >>> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid?fbc098-093c-
> > >> 4e0b-b7ad-9d4c3fc5cecf
> > >>>
> > >>> As it uses pIqaD symbols that I'm not fluent in, I'm at a loss.
> > >>>
> > >>> ~naHQun
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