tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Sep 27 06:14:30 2011
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:.5in'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Well, *{<span class=SpellE>venganpu</span>’} (< *<span class=SpellE>vengnganpu</span>’} would be urbanites, CITY dwellers.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>*{<span class=SpellE>vengHomnganpu</span>’} would be villagers.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>But there’s no reason you can’t write this as two words {<span class=SpellE>vengHom</span> <span class=SpellE>nganpu</span>’}.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We tend to forget that {<span class=SpellE>ngan</span>} “inhabitant” is a perfectly good noun all on its own.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Also, IIRC all the <span class=SpellE>gentilics</span> we’ve seen with the “suffix” form {-<span class=SpellE>ngan</span>} have been with proper names – e.g. {<span class=SpellE>nuralngan</span>} <span class=SpellE>Neuralese</span> – not simple nouns like {<span class=SpellE>veng</span>}, {<span class=SpellE>vengHom</span>}, {<span class=SpellE>yuQ</span>}, {<span class=SpellE>Duj</span>}, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>OTOH {<span class=SpellE>vengHom</span> <span class=SpellE>DabwI’pu</span>’} works just as it is.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I would understand that straight away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>--<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Consolas><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> André Müller [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 26, 2011 4:13 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Josh Badgley<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> KLI<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] village dweller<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Two suggestions:<br>For the "villagers", what do you think about venganpu'? That'd work in the same way as tlhInganpu' is derived from tlhIng yoS, the Kling District.<br><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2011/9/26 Josh Badgley <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>lutHom vIqontaH. But it seems I have hit a snag. My story takes place on nural (Neural, from "A Private Little War"), and in the episode there are several different tribes of nuralnganpu', including the "Hill People" and the village dwellers.</span></font><br> <br><font face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>So in my story, I have named the village dwellers <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>vengHom DabwI'pu' </span></b>and I am almost certain that I have violated a rule or something...I don't know <i><span style='font-style:italic'>which</span></i> rule, but needless to say, I trust my instincts when they tell me my grammar sucks. </span></font><br> <br><font face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>What would be a good tlhIngan Hol term for "village dwellers" ? And<span class=GramE> please</span>, not anything that translates to "village people", I already thought of that...:)<br></span></font><br><font face="Courier New"><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><br>-- <span class=GramE>jhb</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br><a href="http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol"; target="_blank">http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></body></html>_______________________________________________
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