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Re: The meaning of -moH

Doq (

I'm tired.


The interesting thing is that you don't actually need the correct word  
"syntax" or "semantics". Context alone makes it clear which I mean when.

The redundancies of language is a wonderful thing. So much of a  
message can be "wrong" and the meaning still gets through.


On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Doq wrote:

> Interestingly, one sleeps when one is in a particular state. If I
> sleep, then I am sleeping. The definition could as easily been "be
> asleep" or "be sleeping", in which case, we could use it as an
> adjective, and it would be just like {tIn} or {bIr}.
> One thing to watch for when focusing a bit much on syntax vs. syntax
> when referring to direct objects is that it is easy to put too much
> weight on the ENGLISH syntax of a given verb. If the gloss were an
> imperfect attempt to convey the meaning of a verb, then we could
> easily get confused about whether a given verb could take an object,
> and if so, what kind of object. Meanwhile, as imperfect as the glosses
> are, they usually stand alone in explaining words to us, since we have
> so little canon.
> Doq
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:12 AM, ghunchu'wI' wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 2009, at 6:52 PM, David Trimboli wrote:
>>> The text tells us we can put objects on verbs, but it never tells us
>>> when we *can't* do it.
>> It comes close, though.  When introducing verb prefixes, the example
>> verb is {Qong} "sleep" and only the no-object prefixes are listed.
>> The text then goes on to say that those prefixes are also used when
>> an object is possible but not stated.  I infer from the wording that
>> such prefixes are *not* used with {Qong}.  I agree that nothing
>> explicitly says that there is a rule against it, but there is some
>> support in TKD for saying that an object on {Qong} is not possible.
>> The semantics vs. syntax distinction is a little fuzzy, but I'm
>> leaning toward this being a syntactical feature.  The problem of
>> being able to know which verbs have the syntactical restriction is a
>> persistent one, though.
>>> There *is* a distinction between verbs of quality
>>> and verbs of action,...
>> With the {Qong} prefix example, there is also an apparent category of
>> non-quality verbs which don't take objects.
>> -- ghunchu'wI'

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