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Re: pu'jIn

Christopher Doty (

Yeah, and in rereading that section, it seems a bit like he's
hand-waving (maybe because previous actors had say things
differently?)...  Seems like prosodic evidence isn't the best (or even
a useful) line of attack...

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:02, David Trimboli <> wrote:
> Christopher Doty wrote:
>>>> Is there any known semantic or phonological or syntactic or
>>>> morphological
>>>> (read: ANY) difference between a noun–noun construction and a
>>>> compound in
>>>> Klingon, besides the orthography?
>>> For a semantic difference, perhaps {'Iwghargh} "bloodworm" vs. {'Iw
>>> ghargh} "blood's worm" or "worm of blood"?
>>> I can't speak for everyone, but when I say {HolQeD}, the first
>>> syllable gets less stress than when I say {Hol QeD}.
>> This is what I would expect, since the final syllable of a noun gets
>> stressed, so two nouns that are independent of each other (that is, in
>> a N-N construction) likely have independent stress on both nouns, but
>> HolQeD, since it is a compound, should only have stress on the QeD,
>> no?
> We have *very* little clear evidence on stress in Klingon. Okrand's
> pronunciation on the tapes and the KCD game often contradict TKD's
> section 1.3. I have an instinctive understanding of how Okrand stresses
> words, and I stress them the same way, but I'm not able to summarize
> those rules. I think we both tend to apply English stress patterns,
> except when there is a glottal stop at the end of a syllable, in which
> case we stress it. I even break the rules in my own name: I stress the
> {SuS}, not the {tel}. When hearing other people say my name at
> qep'a'mey, it sounds weird, because they usually follow the rules in TKD.
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