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Re: vIl - be ridgy in HolQeD 13:1

Michael Roney, Jr. (

Yes, it would be odd for Humans to talk about smooth foreheads amongst themselves. It's a forehead.
Klingons may or may not have spoken about forehead quality back in the time of Kahless, but once they met non-Klingons, and *especially* after a large number of them "lost" their foreheads, the topic most certainly would have come up.

On the other hand, Ferengi talk about lobe size a lot. So maybe Klingons have always talked about their foreheads.


-Michael Roney, Jr.
Professional Klingon translator

--Sent from my Palm Preqe'San (Jon Brown) wrote:

Can anyone tell me if  HolQeD 13:1 was also the first time that vIl was 

I'd missed vIl at the time 13:1 came out in the sense of I didn't have the 
word recorded and only discovered it a few weeks ago when re-reading my 
HolQeD.  So now I'm wondering if it was given to us anywhere else prior to 

Before that I always thought that to a Klingon their ridges are normal and 
smooth wasn't so forehead implied ridges.

QuchwIj pIm QuchlIj
Your forehead is different to mine (i.e. different family)

Although thinking about that sentence; can [pIm] be used like that or would 
I need to say that differently to get that meaning?

QuchlIj Hab law' vovlI' Quch Hab puS
You forehead is smoother that your fathers
Which I thought also made quite a good insult with ref to parentage 
(assuming the grammar is correct).

Whatever the case it's nice to add vIl - be ridgy to my dictionary.but it 
would be good to know where it was first used.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "qe'San (Jon Brown)" 
> From: "David Trimboli" 
>> It was said that there is a canonical example of a comparative sentence
>> using {law'be'} and {puSbe'}. What is it, and where is it found?
> See Maltz's Reward Part IV  HolQeD 13:1 pg 10:
> QuchwIj vIl law' QuchlIj vIl puS
> my forehead is reidgier than your forehead
> To diagree with this notion, that is, to assert that your forehead is not
> ridgier than mine (it may be the same), one would use the construction A Q
> law'be'  B Q puSbe' (A's Q is not many, B's Q is not few) (-be' not):
> QuchlIj vIl law'be' QuchwIj vIl puSbe'
> your forehead isn't ridgier than my forehead
> qe'San

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