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Re: suffixes on adjectival verbs

Terrence Donnelly ([email protected])

• From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
• Subject: Re: suffixes on adjectival verbs
• Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:37:40 -0800 (PST)
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Don't forget our old friend {-Ha'}, as in {Duj
ngaDHa'}!

-- ter'eS

--- Steven Boozer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Qang qu'wI' wrote:
> >Well, I'm getting back into tlhIngan Hol after a
> long break, and I
> >just read something in TKD that surprised me.  It
> states pretty
> >clearly that only {-qu'} can be used on verbs used
> adjectivally.
> >Until reading that, I likely would have used {-be'}
> as well without
> >thinking about it.  Does TKD have the final word
> regarding using only
> >{-qu'}, or is there any subsequent canon that
> amends TKD to also allow
> >{-be'}?
> 
> Here's TKD's (somewhat edited) description of
> {-be'}:
> 
>    This is the general suffix of negation,
> translated as English "not".
>    It follows the concept being negated. ...
> {qay'be'} "it's not a
>    problem, no problem" (exclamation) ... The suffix
> {-be'} cannot be
>    used with imperative verbs... [{-Qo}'] is used in
> imperatives and
>    to denote refusal.    [TKD 46f.]
> 
> Note the example provided:  {qay'be'} ("{qay'} "be a
> problem" + {-be'} 
> negation).  More examples of {-be'} on qualities
> (adjectival verbs) from 
> canon show this wasn't an error:
> 
>    bIlughbe'
>    You are wrong. TKD
> 
>    wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'
>    ten useless tribbles. CK
> 
>    jIDoy'be'
>    I am not tired! PK
> 
>    tera'ngan motlhbe' SoH
>    You are an unusual Terran. PK
> 
>    yIntaHvIS qIrq DuHbe' roj
>    There will be no peace as long as Kirk lives.
> (ST5 notes)
> 
>    'utbe' bel
>    Pleasure is nonessential. TKW
> 
>    nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu'
>    Our lives burn short and bright. (Anthem)
> 
>    HoD QaQbe' ghaH; reH to'waQ yIv
>    He/she is not a good captain; he/she always
> "chews ligament". KGT
> 
>    taQ pagh taQbe'
>    To be weird or not to be weird. KGT
> 
>    QuchlIj vIl law'be' QuchwIj vIl puSbe'
>    your forehead isn't ridgier than my forehead (HQ
> 13.1:10)
> 
> It's likely that Okrand considered {-be'} such an
> obviously useful and 
> common suffix that he forgot that he had
> inadvertently disallowed it.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> 
> 
> 
> 

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