tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 15 09:55:58 2007
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RE: translation
At 09:25 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>--- Robyn Stewart <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I would use per for marker.
> >
>
>Or possibly {ngu'wI'}?
maj. Even ngu'meH per, or DoQmeH per.
> > At 03:47 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > > > >Due to bad management by its current
> > inhabitants.
> > > >
> > >=================================================
> > > >>[...]
> > > > > Because the present inhabitants have
> > mismanaged it...
> > > > > luvu'Ha'mo' nganpu' SaH...
> > >
> > >I believe that the adjective "current" means
> > "present" in the sense of
> > >"existig now" and is used to distinguish whatever
> > is being talked about
> > >(things, people, institutions, etc.) from other
> > things (people,
> > >institutions, etc.) they have replaced or that they
> > will replace in the
> > >future. My suggestion for this fragment would be:
> > >
> > > (yuQvam) luvu'Ha'mo' DaH luDabbogh nganpu' ...
> > > [Because the inhabitants who now inhabit this
> > planet mismanage it...]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > The Klingon Empire claim the right to take
> > this planet for > the benefit
> > > >of the greater universe.
> > >
> >
> >>============================================================
> > > >>[...]
> > > >You want the quality {naQ} "be whole, be entire"
> > here:
> > > >
> > > > 'u' naQvaD yuQvam DoQ tlhIngan wo'.
> > > > The Klingon empire claims this planet for
> > (the benefit of) the
> > > > whole/entire universe.
> > >
> > >It has been often pointed out that the sense of
> > {naQ} includes such
> > >qualities as "be full,
> > >be comlete." Based on this, {'u' naQ} would mean
> > something 1ike "unbroken
> > >universe"
> > >rather than "all of the universe," which seems to
> > be the meaning we are
> > >trying to get across.
> > >I would personally go for {'u' Hoch}.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >This rock is an official legally binding claim
> > marker.
> > > >
> >
> >======================================================
> > > > > [...]
> > > >Speaking of which, "marker" is tricky. I like
> > {DoQmeH ghItlh} for an
> > > >actual document or proclamation (e.g. a poster).
> > Since this is for a
> > > >sculpture, why not just say {Hew} "statue"? Or
> > how about {potlh}
> > > >"consequential thing, something important"?
> > > >
> > > > potlh mub 'oH naghvam'e'.
> > > >
> > > >This may be less awkward sounding in Klingon. A
> > {potlh De'} is a "priority
> > > >message":
> > > >
> > > > HoD, yo' SeHyaH nIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH
> > > > Captain, we are receiving a priority message
> > from [Fleet] Operations
> > > >Command. (ST5 notes)
> > >
> > >I agree that translating "marker" is tricky.
> > Another bit of potentially
> > >useful canon I was able to find
> > >is the text on Skybox card 99:
> > >
> > > Paramount Pictures malja' permey bIH Star Trek
> > pong'e' *Deghmey'e'* je
> > > [Star Trek and related *marks* are trademarks
> > of Paramount Pictures]
> > >
> > >If we tried to use the word {Degh}, "symbol," in
> > our translation, we would
> > >have to decide what "this rock" is a symbol of. To
> > me it symbolizes the the
> > >already mentioned right, i.e. {DIb},
> > >of the Klingon Empire "to take this planet." Hence,
> > one option would be to
> > >phrase this as:
> > >
> > > (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIb mub Degh 'oH naghvam'e'.
> > > [This rock is a symbol of the legal right to
> > claim (the planet)]
> > >
> > >or
> > >
> > > (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIbmaj mub Degh 'oH naghvam'e'.
> > > [This rock is a symbol of our legal right to
> > claim (the planet)]
> > >
> > >Another option might be to use such words as {maq},
> > "proclaim," or {'oS},
> > >provided {'oS} means "represent" in the sense of
> > "indicate":
> > >
> > > (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIbmaj mub maq naghvam.
> > > [This rock proclaims our legal right to claim
> > (this planet)]
> > >
> > > (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIbmaj mub 'oS naghvam.
> > > [This rock represents/indicates our legal right
> > to claim (this planet)]
> > >
> > > mub (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIbmaj 'e' maq naghvam.
> > > [Our right to claim (this planet) is legal;
> > this rock proclaims this]
> > >
> > > mub (yuQvam) DoQmeH DIbmaj 'e' 'oS naghvam.
> > > [Our right to claim (this planet) is legal;
> > this rock indicates this]
> > >
> > >
> > > > >We will be arriving soon,
> > > > >=========================
> > > > >
> > > > > {tugh mapaw,}
> > > >
> > > >maj.
> > >
> > >jIQochbe'.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >your future is assured.
> > > > >=======================
> > >
> > > > Sanraj wuqlu'pu'.
> > > > Your fate has been decided.
> > >
> > >I like this version best.
> > >
> > >To sum up,
> > >
> > >Due to bad management by its current inhabitants
> > >the Klingon Empire claims the right to take this
> > planet for the benefit of
> > >the greater universe.
> > >This rock is an official legally binding claim
> > marker.
> > >We will be arriving soon.
> > >Your future is assured.
> > >
> > >yuQvam luvuvHa'mo' DaH luDabbogh nganpu'
> > >'u' HochvaD yuQvam DoQ tlhIngan wo'.
> > >mub DoQmeH DIbmaj 'e' maq naghvam.
> > >tugh mapaw.
> > >Sanraj wuqlu'pu'.
> > >
> > >'ISqu'
> > >
> >
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