tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 15 09:51:30 2007
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RE: translation [OFFLIST]
Another thought...
Ronnie Heeps:
>>I am an artist working in Scotland and am currently making a large
>>sculpture carved in granite which will be on display in a forest
>>in Scotland. It is in the form of a strange meteorite.
Jonathan Webley wrote:
>I struggled with "marker". I'm not convinced about using {Hew} "statue"
>since it's not a statue of a statue, if you see what I mean.
Voragh:
>Yes, but the sculpture itself *is* a statue, even if it's not anthropomorphic:
>
> A statue of any kind, realistic or abstract, is a {Hew}. [KGT 79]
>
>> {potlh} is good.
>
>Perhaps you can just say simply:
>
> potlh mub 'oH Hewvam'e'.
> This sculpture is a legal {potlh} ("notification" perhaps?)
In light of 'ISqu' and Qov's excellent suggestion of {per} "label" for
marker, I would rework this:
per mub 'oH Hewvam'e'.
This sculpture is a legal marker.
{Degh} "medal, emblem, symbol, insignia, marking, mark" would also work -
perhaps better.
>And a bit more from "Klingon for the Galactic Traveller" on the sculpting
>process itself:
>
> Statues are carved of stone ({nagh}, "rock, stone") by various techniques.
> Thus, among other things, the sculptor ({Hew chenmoHwI'} [literally,
> "statue
> creator") may {nan} (gouge), {tey} (scrape), or {ghItlh} (engrave). To
> apply
> these techniques, specialized tools are employed: the {nanwI'} (chisel;
> literally, "gouger"), {teywI'} (file; literally, "scraper"), and
> {ghItlhwI'}
> (stylus). The word ghItlhwI' (literally, engraver) is also used for any
> writing
> implement as well as for any person who writes. Indeed, the verb
> {ghItlh} is
> most commonly translated as write, but it always refers to the act of
> writing
> -that is, of making marks on some surface--not to the act of
> composition. Its
> use in the contexts of both sculpting and writing suggests that writing
> began
> as carving.
Reading this, {ghItlh} "manuscript" (also "document"?) may also mean
"(carved) inscription" and is another option:
ghItlh mub 'oH Hewvam'e'.
This sculpture is a legal document.
since the legal claim to the planet is actually the inscription on the
{Hew}, not the "strange meteorite" depicted.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons