tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jan 10 13:58:37 2003
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Re: [KLBC] De'wI'wIj
Voragh:
> > As for the idea of "for five minutes *at a time*", I'm not sure which of
> > these would be better, if either:
> >
> > vagh tup qaStaHvIS pIj yev De'wI'wIj.
> > For five minutes, my computer often "hangs".
> >
> > pIj vagh tup qaStaHvIS yev De'wI'wIj.
> > My computer often "hangs" for five minutes.
...Paul:
>{ qaStaHvIS vagh tup } -- the minutes are occurring, they're not the
>object of the occurrence. :)
va! DopDaq qul yIchenmoH qobDI' ghu! (That's the last time I trust my
Klingon without proofreading EVERY word twice!)
Those two suggested versions should, of course, read:
qaStaHvIS vagh tup pIj yev De'wI'wIj.
For five minutes, my computer often "hangs".
pIj qaStaHvIS vagh tup yev De'wI'wIj.
My computer often "hangs" for five minutes.
> > I.e. Does shifting the position of {pIj} make the difference? I prefer the
> > second, since the first version may also mean mean that my computer often
> > "froze up" during one five minute period.
>
>A question I would love to know the answer to. There are a lot of times
>I'd like to use an adverb to describe only a subclause... And times when
>I want to use one to describe only the root. I never know where to put 'em.
Here are some examples of adverbials and adverbial-type phrases used with
dependent {-taHvIS} clauses to study:
DIvI' Se' wI'IjtaHvIS DaH ngoqDe' wIHevta'.
We've just received an encoded message on the Federation frequency.
(MO's ST5 notes)
The adverbial {DaH} is in the main (second) clause.
DIHIvlaHtaHvIS DaH DIHIvnIS.
Attack them now, while we still can! ST6
Ditto.
poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'.
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9
Adverbial phrases of location ("place stamps") in both clauses.
batlhHa' vanglu'taHvIS quv chavbe'lu'
One does not achieve honor while acting dishonorably. TKW
Adverbial {batlhHa'} in dependent (first) clause.
Heghtay lulop latlh tlhInganpu'. Heghtay luloptaHvIS chaH chaq bey SeQ
lujach.
other Klingons may perform a ceremonial howl or yell as part of the
Klingon death ritual. S31
Adverbial {chaq} in main (second) clause of the second sentence.
--
Voragh "Damage control is easy. Reading Klingon
- that's
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons hard!" (Montgomery
Scott, STIV)