tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 14 11:02:48 2001
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Re: Peace! (was Re: post)
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Peace! (was Re: post)
- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:01:16 -0500
> From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:54:17 CST
> In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:18:43 -0500
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> ja' SarrIS:
>> > You write to a Klingon language list and end the
>> > message with "Peace"? Do you also write to vegetarian
>> > lists and end messages with "Meat"?
To set the record straight, in English so everybody understands, this was
an off-handed remark. I was just making light of a fine person who happened
to be coming into the list with both barrels flaring, somewhat insensitive
to the nature of the list, posting repeatedly in English on topics not
relating to the language, and on top of all that, she has a sig file that,
in English, says "Peace". It struck me as funny, so I commented on it.
I was not, as is suggested below, telling her to change her sig. Never in
that message or in any other communication with her have I suggested to her
that she change her sig. I wasn't telling her to do anything. I was asking
a somewhat sarcastic question because it struck me as funny. pItlh.
rut tu'HommI'raH luqelqa'taH QIntetlhvam jeSwI'pu'. HeghQo'taH
qechtlheghvam ramqu'. vIHoHveH nuq vIlo'laH? Qapchu'bogh nuH yIngu'!
Sometimes I accidentally start a thread like this and then feel akin to Dr.
Frankenstein after his monster got loose. I had no idea this could happen.
Sheesh.
> ja' Joel Peter Anderson <[email protected]>:
>> > Doghqu'! qatlh Hol lo'lu'taH? "roj" vIQumnISchugh vaj mu' "roj"
>> > vIlo'.
>>
> ja' ghunchu'wI':
>> wejpuH. Hughmaj DaghoDmeH roj Dayuvqu'qanglaw'.
>>
> nuqjatlh? roj <yuv> 'Iv?
> roj chuplu' neH.
DIvI' Hol lo' mu'vam lo'taHvIS. tlhIngan mu' 'oHbe'. tlhIngan lurDech
'oHbe'. tlhIngan ghob 'oHbe'.
qaS neH roj. [I like the ambivalence of that. "Peace merely happens. Peace
wants to happen." Both of these meanings apply.] Suvbe'lu'chugh 'ej
ghoHbe'lu'chugh qaS roj 'ach rojvaD ghoHlu'chugh ngab roj. maSuvchugh ghIq
<roj> bIjatlhchugh chaq bIroj, 'ach marojtaHchugh 'ej <roj> bIjatlhchugh,
chonuQ 'ej chotIchlaw'mo' bIrojHa'.
>> > That is silly - we speak to communicate, and not always communicate
>> > ideas that people agree with.
>>
>> DaH bIDoghbej SoH. roj DaneHchugh, qatlh bIQochmeH <roj> Dajatlh?
>>
> nuqjatlh?? bIvempu''a'? 'a bIQongtaH'a'? QochmeH <roj> jatlh 'Iv?
> roj vIchupchugh 'ej lajbe'lu'chugh, lajHa'meH roj vIchup'a'?
bIvaQ. chay' bIvaQtaHvIS bIrojlaH? bIghoHtaH. yItam!
>> lugh SarrIS. roj luHutlhchugh cha' nuv, Qapbe' <roj> jatlhbogh wa'.
>
> cha' DoS wIqIp. Qapbe' roj chup wa', 'ach roj chup pagh,
> not roj luta'. chay' roj ta'lu', not chuplu'chugh?
qaSlaH neH. ghoHbe'chugh Hoch, vaj qaSlaH.
>> roj lughajchugh, 'utbe' mu' -- 'ej jatlhlu'chugh, ghu' 'arghmoH neH.
>
> jIQoch. roj wIHutlhchugh, roj vIchupmeH, <roj> vIjatlhlaH.
> roj wIghajchugh, taHmeH rojvam, <roj> vIjatlhlaH.
roj jatlhlu'pa' maroj. DaH maghoH. ghu'maj Dublu''a'? bIDogh.
>> > If peace is what I wish to communcate, then
>> > naturally I'll use that word.
>>
>> yIqelchu': roj'e' DaneHchugh, chaq mu''e' DalonnIS. mu'vetlh Dajatlh
>> 'ej Dajatlhqa' 'ej Dajatlhqa'taHqu', bInuQchoH 'ej ghaytan bIrojHa'.
>
> Do'Ha'. 'ach motlh qaSbe' wanI' DaDelbogh.
> motlh <roj> chup vay', nuvvam lubuSHa' latlh pagh lutlho'.
nuqDaq motlh ghu'vam? naDev motlhbe'bej.
>> > Not that we won't be sensitive to the
>> > context and all.
>>
>> The context of this mailing list demands that such communication be done
>> using the Klingon language. vaj jIQummeH 'eb vIjon.
>>
> SarrIS made his original comment in English.
As part of a message that included Klingon text, unlike the message I was
responding to.
> Only in his later
> comments it became apparent to me, that his criticism was
> directed at someone not using Klingon while discussing something
> other than the Klingon language. It seemed like he was genuinely
> annoyed by her using the word "Peace" as a closing and was
> telling her not to do that!
There is a difference between ribbing someone about their charming trait
and telling them to change. I never told her to change. To be honest, I'd
be disappointed if she changed. Dal pagh jagh net Sov.
> If you'd tell me not to include
> "aka HomDoq" in my signature, how do you think I'd feel about
> that?
Of course, that assumes that I told her to change HER sig, which I never
did. Meanwhile, if I just made fun of your sig, with something like, {*aka*
vIyajbe'. chay' vImugh? tlhaQ wabvam.} If you then went on a fifty line
diatribe proclaiming your right to use the "word" aka, then you might fully
qualify as annoying, fixated and just a half bubble off plumb, not to
mention thoroughly lacking a sense of humor.
> this list is *not* concerned with "acting like a Klingon".
> Thus, it is quite inappropriate to tell someone that using the
> word "peace" on this list is akin to using the word "meat" on a
> list of vegetarians, implying rudeness or at the least unawareness
> of the sensitivities of regular readers.
vuDlIj 'oH. maQoch. qay'be'.
> To be honest, I am quite
> surprised how violently (!) the two of you seem to react to such
> an (IMHO, and yes, that's quite an un-Klingon expression) innocent
> habit. Thank you for your attention.
qay'be'. vuD ghaj Hoch.
> Marc Ruehlaender
> aka HomDoq
> [email protected]
>
qaS neH roj.
SarrIS