tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Mar 03 05:29:01 1994
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re: vIH
- From: Captain Krankor <[email protected]>
- Subject: re: vIH
- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 16:28:47 -0700
There has been some dispute of post about vIH. I invite people to
re-read what I said:
>>Anybody saying, say, chovIH, for "You move me"
>>cannot be told they are WRONG. The dict provides simple "move" (as
>>opposed to "be in motion") in *both* directions, and this is enough
>>to provide for the possibility that "be in motion" is not a
>>clarification, it is an extension.
>> [...]
>>The conclusion comes from advanced analysis, and is far from
>>air-tight.
The key rebuttal has involved quoting the thing on page 78, a
passage I am quite aware of. Here it is again:
>"For ease of reference, English entries in the English-Klingon
>section of this dictionary begin with the word that the user
>would most likely be looking for, even though this may at times
>be grammatically incorrect. This first word is, when
>appropriate, followed by the correct translation. For example,
>English adjectives (e.g., *bold*) correspond to Klingon verbs,
>most accurately translated using the English verb *to be* (e.g.,
>*be bold*). All such words are entered with the adjective first,
>followed by the accurate translation (e.g., *bold, be bold*).
>Similarly, when a Klingon word is translated into an English
>phrase (e.g., *have a headache*), the first word in the English
>entry is the key word in the phrase, followed by the proper
>translation (e.g., *headache, have a headache*)."
Now, look again. That passage refers most explicitly to entries in
the English-Klingon section. I very specifically pointed out in my
post that simple "move" is given in *both directions*. While I
didn't harp on it, I consider that extremely key. If it were only
listed that way in the English-Klingon entry, I would agree that the
above paragraph applies. But it simple "move" also exists in the
Klingon-English entry, to which the above paragraph does NOT apply.
Again, I am not claiming for vIH one way or the other, I simply
point out that the case is far from air-tight either way. In
particular, air leaks in from the above mentioned definition.
--Krankor