tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Dec 03 10:15:58 2010

Back to archive top level

To this year's listing

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]

Re: wovmoHwI'mey yupma'

lojmIt tI'wI' nuv ([email protected]) 

In TKD and Ultralingua's computer-based dictionary, {'eH} is listed as an "excl" only. It is not listed as a verb.

pItlh.
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv



On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:

> Voragh:
>>>  DIngwI' mach vIghaj jIH.
>>>  lamvo' vIchenmoHpu'.
>>>  QaDchoHpu'DI' 'eHchoH,
>>>  ghIq DIngwI' vIQujqu'!
>>> 
>>> I thought there would be comments by now!  I guess some people don't
>>> recognize the "Dreydl Song" ({DIngwI'} "spinner, top".)
> 
> QeS:
>> I actually did recognise it (though to my everlasting shame I originally
>> have an episode of South Park to thank for that...), but didn't comment
>> because I thought it was rather well rendered! I'm reticent about {lamvo'}
>> for the same reason you are, but due to the pretty strong metric constraints
>> I don't think I can do much better.
> 
> Thanks.  I was rather pleased with how it came out.  I guess the spirit of Kahless - himself a kindred spirit to Judas Maccabeus if there ever was one! - inspired me.
> 
>> Also, since {'eH} is an exclamation the use of {-choH} on it is jarring.
>> What about saying {rInchoH} "it becomes accomplished" instead?
> 
> I don't have my TKD with me, but I thought {'eH} is a quality that can also be used as an exclamation (similar to the adverbial {tugh} "soon", also used as an exclamation: "Hurry up! Be quick about it!").  Would someone check the TKD glossary to see if {'eH} is labeled "v."?  My notes indicate:
> 
> {'eH} - be ready; Ready! (excl) 
>  "{SuH}, {Su'} and {'eH} all mean that the speaker is about to give a command. They are comparable to the "Ready!" at the beginning of a race: "Ready! Set! Go!" {SuH} and {Su'}, but not {'eH}, can also be used to indicate that the speaker is ready to do something or that arrangements have been made for something to happen. Some speakers of Klingon pronounce {SuH} as if it were {SSS}, almost like the English expression for "be quiet": shhh!" (TKD 57)]
>  - 'eH! Ready! (response to a command, i.e. "Standing by.") STMP [This was one of the eleven original Klingon words created by James Doohan and spoken by Mark Lenard (through a set of prosthetic teeth) in the opening scene of STMP which Marc Okrand subsequently used as the basis for {tlhIngan Hol}.]
>  (cf. {ghuH} prepare for, {ghuS} prepare to launch, {qeq} practice, train, prepare, {-rup} ready, prepared [beings] & {-beH} ready, set up [devices])
> 
> Since there are no declined examples, I don't know if we can say:
> 
>  ? DIngwI' vIQuj vIneHqu'.  DaH jI'eH!
>    I really want to play dreydl.  I'm ready now!
> 
> or if we must use {-rup}:
> 
>  DaH DIngwI' vIQujrup!
>  I'm ready to play dreydl now!
> 
> Now looking at my cross references I can imagine a Klingon child using {ghuS} "prepare to launch" and {baH} "fire/launch (torpedo, rocket, missile)" WRT a {DIngwI'}.  
> 
> BTW, anyone remember who coined {DIngwI'} as a translation for dreydl in our past Hanukkah discussions?  In this case I think it works better as a name for a toy than transcribing it *{tlheyDIl}, *{DeyDIl}, *{DIretlh}, etc.
> 
> 
> --
> Voragh                          
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> 
> 
> 
>

Back to archive top level