tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 07 12:15:35 1998
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Re: Translation of English Past and Present Perfect Tenses in Klingon
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:14:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: WestphalWz <[email protected]>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <[email protected]>
>Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 6:27 AM
>Subject: Re: Translation of English Past and Present Perfect Tenses in
>Klingon
>
>
>>jIQochqu'
>>"passive voice" 'oS mojaQ {-lu'} 'e' DamaqtaHvIS maghoHchuqnIS
>>chay' "by [agent]" Damugh
>
>Not really on the topic: as Krankor once showed in an issue of HolQeD, you
>can never use {-vIS} on the second verb of a Sentence As Object, because
>{-vIS} always requires {-taH}, and {-taH} is a Type 7 verb suffix, which is
>not allowed on the second verb of a SAO.
>
>It's one of those extra-tricky problems, because you don't usually think of
>{-vIS} or {-taHvIS} as Type 7, you just think of it as a frequently used
>construction. But it's a no-no.
Yuck-o-rama. That sucks. The "obscure rule" of no type-7s after 'e' is
bad enough, but to have it apply when there's a -taH there only because it
needs to come before -vIS? That's annoying and a pain and seems a very
arbitrary restriction on the language with no basis in meaning. @Sigh.
I'm going to hope cannon comes out to contradict this.
~mark