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Re: Translation of English Past and Present Perfect Tenses in Klingon



: >From: "David Trimboli" ...
: >Not really on the topic: as Krankor once showed in an issue of HolQeD, you
: >can never use {-vIS} on the second verb of a Sentence As Object, because
: >{-vIS} always requires {-taH}, and {-taH} is a Type 7 verb suffix, which is
: >not allowed on the second verb of a SAO.
: >It's one of those extra-tricky problems, because you don't usually think of
: >{-vIS} or {-taHvIS} as Type 7, you just think of it as a frequently used
: >construction.  But it's a no-no.
: 
: Yuck-o-rama.  That sucks.  The "obscure rule" of no type-7s after 'e' is
: bad enough, but to have it apply when there's a -taH there only because it
: needs to come before -vIS?  That's annoying and a pain and seems a very
: arbitrary restriction on the language with no basis in meaning.  @Sigh.
: I'm going to hope cannon comes out to contradict this.
: 
: ~mark

I could find no examples of {-taHvIS} on the second verb of a SAO. However,
there are those two odd, rather complicated Okrandian examples of a Type 7
suffix on this verb:

DaH che' ghawran. yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh
janluq pIqarD HoD.
Gowron currently presides, named leader of the High Council by Captain
Jean-Luc Picard, who was acting as Arbiter of Succession. S25

DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS be'nI'pu'
lurSa' be'etor je. 
The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor, are constantly seeking
a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon High Council. S26

Voragh



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