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Re: vIghro'mey

>>> vIghro'mey yIbuQQo'     tojmo' De'wI'lIjDaq porghbIQ lulIng 
>>> [Bruce Graham]
>>
>>  <tojmo'> vIyajchu'be'. <tojmeH> DaHech'a'?
> ghobe'     {tojmo'} vIHechbej.

Is the deception the cause of the action or the purpose of it? 
It doesn't make sense to me as the cause. It does make sense to 
me as the purpose. If anything, the action seems to be the cause 
of the deception. In order to trick you; for the purpose of 
tricking you, this action takes place. Because he tricks you the 
action takes place? It just doesn't sound right. Because he does 
the action, he tricks you. That sounds strange, but closer to 
being accurate.

>>> SanIDmey ben joHHompu' chaH vIghro'pu''e' 'e' vanlu'
>>
>> jImIS. roD <'e' vanlu'> tamnIS <net van>, 'ach naDev <net van>
>> vIyajbe'. 
>> 
>> vaghSanIDben joHHompu' chaHlaw'mo' vIghro'pu''e' luvanlu'.
> jIQochbe'     qaq {net van}; qaqb'e {'e' vanlu'}.

Do they salute that the cats are minor lords, or do they salute 
the cats which are minor lords?
  
>  > Ha'DIbaH Subbe' bIH vIghro'mey'e' 'ej ropchoHlaH
>  > 'ach not QonglaHbe'bogh vIghro' vIqIH [Jospeh Wood Krutch]
>>  
>>  jImISqa'. wot DIp ghap DalaH mu' <bIH>. naDev wot Dalaw' 'ach
>>  wot Dachugh vaj cha' wot'a' ghaj mu'tlheghvam. DIp Dachugh <bIH>
>>  vaj mu'tlhegh vIyajlaHbe' je.
>
> jIQoch.   DIp {Ha'DIbaH} poQbe' mojaq {-mey}.  Klingon nouns 
>may be plural without pluralizing markers.

That's not my point. In your sentence, it is not clear whether 
you are using {bIH} as a noun or as a verb. It appears to be 
used as a verb, since the noun following it has {-'e'}, but if 
it is being used as a verb, you seemed to have two main verbs 
again, since {Subbe'} initially appeared to be a main verb as 
well. I now see that this was my error. Placing {-be'} on an 
adjectival verb is legal, but rather uncommon and since I was 
getting a bit tired, I mistakenly thought it was being used as a 
verb and not as an adjective.

HIvqa' veqlargh.

> Thanks for reading and commenting.  This helps not only me but the other
> readers on this listserv.

That's why I do it. I remember that as a beginner, I had a great 
deal of difficulty differentiating between that which was 
correct and that which was not, so I consumed a lot of time 
wrestling with that which was incorrect.

When Krankor had me translate his words for the list for a month 
because he refused to write in English for that entire time, my 
skills took off quite a bit, since Krankor's prose was generally 
correct and very clearly stated.
 
> peHruS

charghwI'

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