tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Apr 02 13:01:24 1998
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Re: KLBC: qech ngo'
ja' Qov:
> At 13:26 98-03-27 -0800, HovqIj wrote:
>
[...HIvqa' pe'wI'...]
> }ngo' moQ qech.
> }The idea of a sphere is old.
>
> Again there is ambiguity in the Klingon, because you could be talking about
> ideas the sphere has. That's the first way I read it.
Interesting. So, does Klingon have something like an objective genitive - I
don't know the correct English term, the Latin term would be "genitivus
obiectivus" ?For example the Latin "amor parentum" could either mean "the
parents' love" (genitivus subiectivus) or "the love to the parents" (genitivus
obiectivus).
Even the English "of"-phrase is ambiguous. At school we learnt that only people
can have an "s"-genitive, things _always_ have the "of"-genitive. "the man's
idea" - "the idea of a man" is clear, but "the idea of a sphere" is ambiguous.
Some will say now "How can a sphere have an idea?" I didn't see any ambiguity,
either, but Qov obviously does.
[...HIvqa' pe'wI'...]
> }pay' ngermey ngo' luqawlu'. noy *Copernicus*
> }*Galilei* je pongmey.
> }
> }Suddenly they
> }(impersonal) remembered the old theories. The names of Copernicus and
> }Galilei are famous.
>
> }Sov ngo' luSamqa'ta' chaH. vaj ngermey chu'
> }chenmoHlaH.
>
> }They had found again the old knowledge. So they
> }could make up new theories.
>
> I'm not sure who the "they" is here/ I first read it as being Copernicus
> and Galileo. You might be better here to continue in the impersonal voice.
> Sov ngo' Samqa'lu'ta'. ngermey chu' chenmoHlaH vay'.
Actially I _did_ mean Copernicus and Galilei.
>
>
> Daj lutlIj, HovqIj. tlhochchuqlaw'mo' SovlIj paqlIj je bIQulchoH 'ej maHvaD
> De' Daj Damuch. loQ QeD tIQ vIqaw jIH. moQ 'oH tera''e' 'e' lutobmeH cha'
> tej, DIS chongDaq Qam wa', tlhaq qar 'uchtaHvIS. Hopbogh DIS chongDaq Qam
> tlhaq ghajbogh latlh tej'e'. quqbe' DungluQmeyHeychaj 'ach tay'qa'DI' chaH,
> quqtaH tlhaqmey. jIluj'a'?
qatlh? lutvam vISovbe'pu' 'ach vItIv. moQ 'oH tera''e' lutobmeH tejvetlh ngong Daj lu'ogh.
>
> Qov [email protected]
> Beginners' Grammarian
HovqIj