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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Today is a good day to be that guy"

Steven Boozer (sboozer@uchicago.edu)



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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">For the newcomers to the list, {vIl} comes from qep&#8217;a&#8217; 2009.&nbsp; ghunchu'wI&#8217; was there and reported that::<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp; The noun {<b><span style="color:#C00000">vIl}</span></b> is hard to define. Maltz had given a description<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;of something which was immediately recognized as a speed bump<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;by everyone present, but it was apparently intended not as an
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;actual definition but as an example of something which is &#8220;just<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;there&#8221;. There is obviously an etymological relationship with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;{<b>vIlle'}</b>, which is currently the best clue we have to its true<br>
&nbsp;meaning. Consider someone who keeps showing up when you go<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;places. This person doesn't necessarily have any particular<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;importance to what you're doing, and it wouldn't matter to you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;at all if he or she weren't present, but the person is &#8220;just<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;there&#8221;. That would be a {<b>vIl}</b>. It also can describe someone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;who hangs around, ready to help out, whether or not you need<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;anyone to help you. Again, it wouldn't make any difference to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;you if the person weren't there. Here is a direct quote from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;Marc Okrand: &quot;A {<b>vIlle'}</b>, on the other hand, is definitely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;someone you want to have around--a follower, disciple, fan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;admirer, minion.&quot; (&#8220;<i>Groupie&#8221;</i> and &#8220;<i>entourage&#8221;</i> were suggested<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;by those present at the time, but Marc didn't think they fit.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">7/26/2009]</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:02 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&quot;*that* guy&quot; is a difficult concept to pin down; in fact, I don't think I can translate it even into my native tongue.<br>
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I believe that &quot;*that* guy&quot; normally refers to &quot;somebody who fits the description of a person you will inevitably run into in a certain context, thus fulfilling the prophecy that 'there always has to be *that* guy'&quot;.<br>
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It seems there's usually a negative connotation, sometimes with the implication that *that* guy is &quot;why we can't have nice things&quot;.<br>
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Going to a party where wine is served? You just know there's gonna be *that* guy who has too much.<br>
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Famous actor? You just know there's gonna be *that* guy who calls out to you across the room by the name of a character you played once.<br>
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Want to sleep, but your neighbors are playing loud music? Well, you could go over there and ask them to turn the volume, but ... it would make you *that* guy.<br>
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I wonder if the closest equivalent in Klingon may actually be {vIl}: Something which is just *there*. Certainly not a perfect translation, though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"> Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2013 00:09<br>
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</span><span style="color:black">I get that &quot;that guy' overdoes things to get attention. Like Will Wheaton didn't do when he refrained from saying &quot;Qapla'&quot; to the guy with the tattoo, or the guy with the tattoo was admitting to being for having it. When Will
 Wheaton said &quot;Today is a good day to be that guy,&quot; he was saying it can be cool to be that guy. There are degrees of being that guy, and the tattoo was cool. Lampshade over the head, not cool.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[] </span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="color:black">On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Alan Anderson &lt;<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net"; target="_blank">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:4.8pt"><span style="color:black">Is &quot;be that guy&quot; supposed to imply &quot;act like a jerk&quot;? I always thought<br>
it referred to someone doing or saying something that most people<br>
already were thinking.<br>
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If &quot;act like a jerk&quot; is the intended idea, don't we have a verb for<br>
it? I'm thinking {nguq} &quot;be arrogant&quot;, or {Qaq} &quot;behave in a falsely<br>
honorable fashion&quot;. {Qaqlu'meH QaQ jajvam}<br>
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-- ghunchu'wI'<br>
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