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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments

Bellerophon, modeler (bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com)



<div dir="ltr">Disagreement with fact borders on the Orwellian. But one could disagree about whether a purported fact is correct.<div><br></div><div>MO&#39;s appproval of {maQoch &#39;e&#39; wIQochbe&#39;} opens the door to the object of {Qoch} being the (dis)agreed upon statement. lughchu&#39; mu&#39; lo&#39; &#39;e&#39; maqchugh marq &#39;oqranD, vaj lugh lo&#39;vam &#39;e&#39; wIQochbe&#39;&#39;a&#39;?</div>

<div><div><br><div>I also expect to see frequent use of {-chuq} as in {Qochchuq tlhIH} or {maQochbe&#39;chuq} for internal (dis)agreement in a group.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Could {-chugh} mean &quot;whether&quot; in {?nughoStaHchugh jagh wIQochchuq}? Could one interpret it as &quot;If the enemy is approaching us, we disagree with one another&quot;? But I think one would say {nughoStaHchugh jagh maQochchuq}. (No way to win battles, that, but common enough in war councils!)</div>
<div><br></div><div>~&#39;eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM, André Müller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:esperantist@gmail.com"; target="_blank">esperantist@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is {maQoch &#39;e&#39; wIQochbe&#39;.} (We agree to disagree.)<br>

<br></div>That means that {Qoch(be&#39;)} might at least be a labile verb, which can have an object, but doesn&#39;t have to (as common in Klingon). The object of {Qochbe&#39;} here is {&#39;e&#39;}, so it seems logical that one can indeed agree or disagree with a fact or a statement or an idea. I don&#39;t see a reason why it shouldn&#39;t.<br>


</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/6 David Trimboli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:david@trimboli.name"; target="_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div>On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:<br>
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Might {jIQoch(be&#39;)} be uncanonical usage?<br>
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lo&#39;pu&#39;&#39;a&#39; Okrand?<br>
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tlhIngan Hol mu&#39;ghom chutmey pabba&#39; &#39;ach lo&#39;pu&#39; Okrand &#39;e&#39; vISovbe&#39;.<div><br>
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It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree.  I can&#39;t imagine MO would have<br>
had a problem with {maQoch &#39;e&#39; wIQochbe&#39;} as it translates neatly as<br>
&quot;We agree that we disagree.&quot;<br>
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I&#39;m not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} &quot;I disagree with that fact&quot;? Meh.<span><font color="#888888"><span><font color="#888888"><br>
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