tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Sep 06 14:27:26 2013
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
- From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:27:06 -0400
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<div dir="ltr">Disagreement with fact borders on the Orwellian. But one could disagree about whether a purported fact is correct.<div><br></div><div>MO's appproval of {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} opens the door to the object of {Qoch} being the (dis)agreed upon statement. lughchu' mu' lo' 'e' maqchugh marq 'oqranD, vaj lugh lo'vam 'e' wIQochbe''a'?</div>
<div><div><br><div>I also expect to see frequent use of {-chuq} as in {Qochchuq tlhIH} or {maQochbe'chuq} for internal (dis)agreement in a group.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Could {-chugh} mean "whether" in {?nughoStaHchugh jagh wIQochchuq}? Could one interpret it as "If the enemy is approaching us, we disagree with one another"? But I think one would say {nughoStaHchugh jagh maQochchuq}. (No way to win battles, that, but common enough in war councils!)</div>
<div><br></div><div>~'eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM, André Müller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)<br>
<br></div>That means that {Qoch(be')} might at least be a labile verb, which can have an object, but doesn't have to (as common in Klingon). The object of {Qochbe'} here is {'e'}, so it seems logical that one can indeed agree or disagree with a fact or a statement or an idea. I don't see a reason why it shouldn't.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/6 David Trimboli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:<br>
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Might {jIQoch(be')} be uncanonical usage?<br>
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lo'pu''a' Okrand?<br>
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tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom chutmey pabba' 'ach lo'pu' Okrand 'e' vISovbe'.<div><br>
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It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree. I can't imagine MO would have<br>
had a problem with {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} as it translates neatly as<br>
"We agree that we disagree."<br>
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I'm not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} "I disagree with that fact"? Meh.<span><font color="#888888"><span><font color="#888888"><br>
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SuStel<br>
<a href="http://www.trimboli.name/" target="_blank">http://www.trimboli.name/</a></font></span><div><div><br>
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