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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] fiat justitia ruat coelum

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Fiat Knox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk"; target="_blank">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:garamond,&#39;new york&#39;,times,serif">
Perhaps you could change the clause order around so <span style="font-weight:bold">-jaj</span> comes last, giving the whole sentence the weight of a proclamation.<br><br>I also thought that a number of verbs could be used instead of <span style="font-weight:bold">chav</span> <span style="font-style:italic">achieved, accomplished</span>. My favourite is <span style="font-weight:bold">baj</span><span> <span style="font-style:italic">earned</span><span>:-</span></span><br>
{<span style="font-weight:bold">vabDot pumchugh Hovmey, ruv bajlu&#39;jaj</span>}<br><span style="font-size:12pt"></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:garamond,&#39;new york&#39;,times,serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Next to those, your original term </span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold">chav</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> <span style="font-style:italic">achieve, accomplish</span> does stand:-</span><br>
{<span style="font-weight:bold">vabDot pumchugh Hovmey, ruv chavlu&#39;jaj</span>}<br></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></div>The Latin word order is to emphasize the difficult condition, but making it sound like a proclamation is very effective.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I like the last one best since it translates &quot;fiat&quot; accurately. The first is more of a Klingon sentiment than a translation of the Latin. It&#39;s a strong statement only if {baj} implies {chav} as well in this context. Klingons would not admire someone who earns justice but doesn&#39;t get it. We use &quot;earn&quot; in such a sense in English, but what about {baj}? Can it include the idea of having done what was needed to deserve something that is unjustly denied? {naDqa&#39;ghach Hevbe&#39;DI&#39; worIv, baj&#39;a&#39;}</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If so, you could use {baj} thus: {wa&#39;vatlh DarSeq baj torgh &#39;ach torghvaD Huch nobqangbe&#39; pIn}. I&#39;m thinking you&#39;d say {bajta&#39;} only if Torg hadn&#39;t managed to get cheated out of his pay. {HuchDaj neHchugh torgh vaj pInDaj qaDnIS. pIn jeychugh &#39;ej Huch Suqchugh vaj bajta&#39; torgh}</div>
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