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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 23

Robyn Stewart (robyn@flyingstart.ca) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think as an idiom it’s fair that it isn’t immediately interpretable without prior knowledge: that’s kind of the definition of an idiom. I also don’t have a problem with a verb of seeing being used with a corpse. I would say that the victim in the relevant scene in Silence of the Lambs, or even a decapitated body was lying “face up” or “face down” in English.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On the other hand, I said legh and the idiom is clearly bej, so I definitely need to correct that, even if ghunchu’wI’ knew what I meant. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If it helps with the Romulan line, </span>DungDaq legh 'ej QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu', it’s not so much “need to lie down” as “need to be lying down.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ghunchu'wI' [<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net";>mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> November 6, 2013 2:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> tlhIngan-Hol<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 23<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 5, 2013, at 7:21 PM, &quot;De'vID&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com";>de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>On 11 Sep 2013 02:02, &quot;Robyn Stewart&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca";>robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; bIng bej/Dung bej = be face down/face up<o:p></o:p></p><p>I didn't understand the intended meaning, because I thought the Romulans were unconscious, and {bej} implied otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>For what it's worth, I recognized the idiom immediately.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't know if its because I would have translated it the same way, or because I've seen it before and had to have it explained. Perhaps I was part of a discussion where some of us tried to translate the idea and that was one of the suggestions? I don't recall. Maybe Qov and I have just had enough face-to-face conversations in Klingon that I understand her intent and often anticipate her words. All I know is that the image was perfectly clear in my mind without requiring any overt analysis (or even any translation, as it happens).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- ghunchu'wI'<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
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