tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue May 28 13:01:08 2013
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'contamination' and <-Ha'choHmoH>
Voragh:
>> Specify what kind of contamination or pollution you're discussing:
>> e.g. {bIQ nIt} and {bIQ Say'} (the former used for pristine,[]
>> never-polluted water?), {muD lam}, {woj choHwI' pugh}, etc.
Ruben:
> I like your {bIQ nIt} for "pristine water" :)
>
> I am not sure about {muD lam}..... {muD lam} seems to work for particles
> or smoke that makes the atmosphere to look dirty,... but if some non-
> visible contaminant is present I would use {muD Say'be'}.
> {muD Say'be'} would include {muD lam}. The same thing applies for non-
> visible contaminants in the water...
Do we know that {lam} is particulate in nature? Does it include "dust" or "soil" (but cf. {yav} "ground")? Is it a very generic word for any kind of grime or *shmutz*? (We have a word for a very specific kind of dirt: {butlh} "dirt under fingernails".) The problem is that we don't know what it means *in a Klingon context*. AFAIK there are no examples of either the simple quality {lam} "be dirty" nor the noun {lam} "dirt" used in a sentence. That being said, we do have the verb {lamHa'choHmoH} "get something cleaned" used once:
nuqDaq waqwIj vIlamHa'choHmoH
Where can I get my shoes cleaned? TKD
but how is "make undirty" really different from {Say'moH} "wash" (i.e. "make clean")? E.g.
DaH jIbwIj vISay'nISmoH
I must wash my hair now. PK
yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI' Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw
The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true. (Anthem)
A first impression - based on a sum total of 3 examples! - is that {Say'moH} seems to refer to cleaning one's body, while {lamHa'[choH]moH} is used for things. But who knows?
We also have the verb {Say'qu'moH} "sterilize" as well as phrase {Say'moHwI' tlhagh} "soap" from TalkNow! Klingon -- both never used in a sentence.
As usual: Lot's of questions but no answers. At least, not until we get more examples or someone asks Maltz.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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