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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New word part 2

Rohan Fenwick ( [KLI Member]

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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>tlhobpu' vay', jatlh:<br>&gt; How is {Qumran} different from {tetlh} "roll, scroll, list"?<br><div>&gt; Does {Qumran} refer to the physical aspects of a scroll, while {tetlh} is more of a (longish) list (i.e. material vs. content)?<br><br>jang Quvar, jatlh:<br>&gt; We did not talk about that, and it is even possible that he even might <br>&gt; have forgotten about {tetlh} - we won't know.  :-/<br>&gt; But when I think about it and compare it to your examples, I guess that <br>&gt; it is exactly like you said:<br>&gt; {tetlh} might be a list of names for instance, and the {Qumran} is a <br>&gt; longish scrolled piece of paper.<br><br>The problem is that the explicit gloss of "scroll" for {tetlh} in KGT says that it is quite capable of referring to the physical entity of the scrolled piece of writing material, not just the information contained upon it. "Roll" has a more abstract use - honour roll, roll call, etc. - but "scroll" really can't be used so abstractly.<br><br>However, you hit on an interesting point with your mention of paper - I wonder if one of the two terms could be more specific as to the material it's made of. What makes me think of it is the Dead Sea Scrolls (to which {Qumran} is a transparent reference, of course);&nbsp; although a few of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written on papyrus, mostly they were on parchment (hide) or vellum, and I've seen one in the Jordan Archaeological Museum in Amman that was engraved on copper sheeting. No way to know, of course, but if there are two words perhaps there's some subtle distinction like this involved (as with pairs like {yab} and {QoghIj}).<br><br>QeS<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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