tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jan 04 21:33:41 2013
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
I followed Felix's advice deleted all occurrences
of the most common character names, then deleted
all X, Z and F and then redid the search. It's
still a little skewed towards the letters that
are the same in xifan as tlhIngan--I didn't strip
out the pIqaD titles, so for example m is M in
xifan but y is y, meaning that yay will be
counted where it occurs in an 'ay' per but may won't be.
qaghwI' is still the second most frequent letter,
so a good Scrabble set should have as many
qaghwI'mey as 'atmey, or at least as many as 'etmey.
Freq. Letter
72543
39022 a
38237 '
21465 e
20702 o
19952 I
19760 H
18060 u
15987 j
13557 D
12305 m
11565 l
9979 v
9892 q
9647 ch - this was the frequency for c, with h
at 9633, the discrepancy explained by a few non-Klingon words with c or h
9530 b
9359 S
9271 Z --> gh
9145 p
8695 t
8105 n
7648 y
7422 X --> tlh
6611 w
5793 Q
4978 r
3744 F --> ng
-------
Here are the other symbols and non-Klingon
letters. (I moved the mevwI' and yevwI' down to
here). They are uninteresting, but just give you
an idea of what other junk is in the file. I
honestly think most of it is from xifan (the way
I have to write in order to use my pIqaD font).
There is a more interesting list following this one.
14365 .
5067 ,
1122 ?
691 !
171 -
127 O
126 @
121 A
94 U
80 E
69 &
66 M
63 L
62 T
62 :
59 G
57 #
57 $
57 %
55 ^
54 N
51 (
51 )
47 s
47 *
42 J
41 P
40 C
39 K
39 B
38 g
35 k
30 Y
30 R
29 W
27 i
26 V
18 d
6 "
6 ;
5 1
5 2
4 5
3 9
3 0
3 3
3 /
3 6
2 8
2 7
1 4
1 [
1 ]
1
1 ©
3152 «
4
3129 »
And now I have a theory why j is the third most
common consonant after ' and H. There's a lot of
dialogue in the story, so a lot of jatlh, but
that didn't do it, because tlh is one of the
least common letters. It's all the first person
statements: jIlegh and jIjaH and jIyaj. Here are the top words used:
Unique words:22058 Total words:71912
Freq. Word
2152 jatlh
1751 .
1736 'ej
1265 'e'
1118 ,
1089 'ach
513 je
429 HoD. - three of my major characters are captains.
410 jatlh
394 tlhIngan - interesting. I really wasn't
aware I used the word that much. I guess the aliens do.
341 HoD
295 'a
277 je.
273 Duj
265 ?
263 ghIq - pretty funny considering the word didn't exist a few years ago.
258 qImyal - a character name I didn't take out
254 DaH
210 chaq
204 yaS
201 wa'
185 latlh
185 Hoch
183 law'
180 vay'
177 neH
169 cha'
158 qaStaHvIS
156 ghaH
150 jatlh.
147 HoD,
147 loQ
143 wej
139 Hol
137 pa'
135 SIbI'
135 lojmIt
133 pagh
133 ghaytan
132 De'
127 neH.
126 Hung
122 vaD - from vajarvaD and 'eSSImvaD, but I
deleted the character names stranding the suffix.
115 vaj
110 meH
105 qama'
103 QumwI'
101 net - interesting! Never thought I used that that much.
100 be'
95 'avwI'
94 Sa'
94 nov
93 pay'
93 wo'
93 quv - although the character counting is
case sensitive, the word-counting isn't, so this is Quv and quv
93 tIr - ha ha, if you've read the story you
know why this one, love ya QeS.
93 ghop
91 mIch
90 qatlh
89 Qel/qel
87 not
85 'ungya - oops, another character name
85 qImyal.
83 ravDaq - okay that's just funny. A lot
of things take place on the floor in this novel.
81 Qa'bar - another character, didn't think he was that important
80 nom
80 loD
80 bIQ - that does make sense
79 beq
78 HoS
78 chu'
78 'oH
78 ghu'
77 -
77 wa'DIch
77 mu'mey
75 tlhoS
75 nuq/nuQ
75 ghaH.
74 reH
74 naDev
72 Qa'bar.
70 Qu'/qu'
70 nuH
69 'oy' - ha! Did I really hurt people that much?
69 Sa'.
68 Dugh - the name of one of the ships.
68 HIq - pretty hard drinking Klingons,
considering that the aliens who take up half the story hardly touch the stuff
67 vay'
67 loS
67 muD
67 bom
67 qab/Qab - yep I shoehorned Qab in somewhere
67 nISwI' - lots of those
66 retlhDaq - wow, describing locations = more common than I thought
66 DeghwI'
66 DIr
66 ...
64 jang
64 jagh
63 Hagh
63 taj
62 QeDpIn.
62 qImyal,
62 DeS
62 lo'
61 SaH
61 «
60 meHDaq
60 vagh - these numbers might be from chapter headings
60 tugh
59 veS - another ship name
58 chay'
58 'op
58 puS
57 Qel.
57 'Iw - heh, it turned up later than Hagh
56 motlh
56 DIvI'
55 «DaH
54 ghogh
54 nach
54 may'
54 DaHjaj
54 pe'vIl
54 Sov
53 be'tlhar - another name
53 ben
53 Soj
52 batlh
52 pIj
52 Daq/DaQ
52 potlh
52 jonwI'
52 'oH.
52 Hegh - this is such a Klingon list
51 nID
51 nuv
51 QeDpIn
51 ghaHvaD
50 naQ
50 HungpIn
Most of the words are adverbs or conjunctions
because they are the only words that don't take
affixes. Nouns and verbs so often have affixes on
them that they don't have high frequency in any
one configuration. Here's a chunk of lower
frequency, all the same verb, and of course not
including the versions starting with ma- vI- mu- orcetera.
5 FAZ
1 FAZBE'.
1 FAZBE'PU'
1 FAZCHUZ
1 FAZDI'
1 FAZLAH
2 FAZMEH
1 FAZPU'WI'PU'
1 FAZPU'?
1 FAZQA'LI'.
1 FAZQAF.
1 FAZQAFBE'WI',
1 FAZQO'.
1 FAZRUP
1 FAZRUPDI'
1 FAZRUPQU'CHOH
1 FAZRUPWI'PU'.
1 FAZTA'BOZ
1 FAZTA'MO'
1 FAZTAH
1 FAZTAHVIS
If someone wants more data I can work more on this.
- Qov
At 17:36 '?????' 1/4/2013, you wrote:
Kind of a rookie solution, but what you could do
to check the frequencies of ng/gh/tlh is to make
a cooy of your document and then do a Find & Replace thusly:
tlh -> X
gh -> Z
ng -> F
?or some other letters that aren't much used
already (do a search first so you can subtract
pre-existing ones from the total.
It's important to do gh before ng, because
otherwise ngh will become Fh, rather than nZ.
If you'd like, you can also do something similar
with alien words/names like Mahoun that you don't want altering the results.
________________________________________
From: Robyn Stewart [[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 02:18
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
I can, but I don't have a platform in which I can write a clever
script, so this counts each character for itself not as part of its
Klingon letter. Here's what I get, with my comments.
72543 - That's the space character, what you'd expect for a 75k
word novel.
44671 a - Our existing distribution gets that right. I wonder if
this is biased by character names. The main character is named vajar.
I'll do a version stripped of character and ship names once I have a
better system.
40793 ' - I told you there weren't enough qaghwI'mey in the
game. It beats out all but one vowel!
28488 h - This combines the letter's presence in tlh and gh, but
excludes H.
23699 o
22652 e
21140 I
20469 H - I expected this to be more common in text than in the
dictionary, because it's in -taH and -Ha' and -laH and -moH and -meH ...
20213 u - last of the vowels
19024 l - biased because this includes l and tlh
17380 t - biased by t + tlh
17291 j - interesting. One of the ship names has a j and so does
the main character's name. That might be a factor. But the main
character also has a v and and r, so I don't think so.
14365 . - Heh. Short sentences, eh?
13634 g - A combination of gh + ng
13627 m
13557 D
13455 n - includes n and ng
11737 S
11226 v
9892 q
9647 c
9530 b
9145 p
7685 y
7653 r
6611 w
5793 Q
So it looks like yay ray way and Qay should be the high-scoring
letters. Whoda thunk there were over three times as many Haymey as Qaymey.
As an indication of the cleanliness of the data, here's the rest.
5067 ,
1702 M - two alien characters, one of whom is a main character,
have names starting in M. The names of alien ships and persons is
also the explanation for most of the non-Klingon alphabetic characters below.
1122 ?
691 !
374 s
172 T
171 -
141 i
132 O
126 A
126 @ - The pIqaD 'ay' titles are typed in xifan hol, which
renders the numbers as cartoon swear words.
120 x
94 U
81 E
76 F
70 R
69 &
63 L
62 :
59 G
57 #
57 $
57 %
55 ^
54 N
51 )
51 (
47 *
43 J
41 P
40 C
39 K
39 B
35 k
30 Y
29 W
27 V
24 X
18 d
16 f
At 22:52 '?????' 1/2/2013, you wrote:
>Robyn,
> Could you analyze your own writings? I bet that would give a good
>letter frequency representation.
>
>Tim Stoffel
>
>--
>
>On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 14:09 -0800, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> > That's an interesting question. Is the letter frequency distribution
> > of a large piece of text different than the frequency distribution in
> > a complete wordlist of that language? I think a list compiled just
> > from TKD affix and vocabulary lists might competitively
> > under-represent qaghwI', as it's in so many affixes.
> >
> > I found a shortage of qaghwI'mey during game play, but the
> > artificiality of the arbitrarily high scores for tlh and ng didn't
> > bother me much. It was just a luck thing.
> >
> > - Qov
> >
> > At 13:21 '?????' 1/1/2013, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> > > At the risk of showcasing my ignorance with regards to Scrabble:
> > >
> > > Does one actually need a corpus to decide character values for
> > > Scrabble? I imagine that a lexicon along with the rules for
> > > appending affixes would suffice, as the deciding factor is what
> > > words can be formed, rather than what words are most commonly used
> > > (or do rare/difficult words weigh more heavily in that
> > > calculation?).
> > >
> > >
> > > ____________________________________________________________________
> > > From: David Holt [[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 22:14
> > > To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Alan Anderson
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I got it from DloraH, who got it from janSIy, who I believe
> > > originated it.
> > >
> > > I didn't originate it, but I may have been the first one to bring a
> > > converted set to the qep'a'. I got the frequencies and values off
> > > this very list and I no longer remember who did the calculations or
> > > came up with the values. It was probably 15 years ago. The game is
> > > fun, but the scores are somewhat artificial since the point values
> > > were based on rarity of English letters and so it's weird to have
> > > common letters like <tlh> be worth so many points. I think any new
> > > calculations should be based on Qov's <nuq bop bom>, since that is a
> > > large piece of original tlhIngan Hol writing.
> > >
> > > janSIy
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