tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 16 10:26:18 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' chorghmaH wej: <'e' tul pagh tlhIngan>
jIja'pu':
> As TKD describes it in Section 5.3, {je} used this way is still a noun
> conjunction. {HIq tlhutlh je} "he drank liquor too" could mean either
> "he and others drank liquor" or "he drank liquor and something else".
> The null prefix suggest to me that the former meaning is unlikely. But
> it absolutely does not mean "also, he drank liquor."
ja' QeS 'utlh:
> With respect, yes, that's exactly what it means. SkyBox card SP2 has the
> following text describing the tlhIngan may' taj:
>
> ghop luQan tajHommey. pe'laH je.
> The bladelets protect the hand. They can also cut.
>
> (My translation, because the English version on the card is quite free.)
I've always read the Klingon text as meaning "They too can cut." That
is, the main blade cuts, and so do the small side ones. I believe the
English supports my interpretation, referring to "another set of
cutting edges."
> Similarly, Marc said in an MSN posting back in 1996:
>
> qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je. tIv'eghtaH
> je.
> [At the third qep'a' Klingon students will speak. Also, they will learn.
> Also, they will enjoy themselves.]
Is that your translation too? I'm certain the note was posted several
months *after* qep'a' wejDIch, so the future tense is not appropriate.
It also substitutes "learn" for "argue". But the Klingon does seem to
contradict the "absolutely does not mean" I wrote above. The last
sentence in particular totally wipes out my uneasiness about
{Hotlh'egh je}.
Assuming that the note is accurately reported (and that its usage
wasn't identified later as a silly mistake), I withdraw my objection.
-- ghunchu'wI'
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