tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Sep 01 15:19:10 2010
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Re: gha'tlhIq
- From: R Fenwick <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: gha'tlhIq
- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:17:37 +1000
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ghItlh Voragh, jatlh:
>Isn't {pem po} "daytime morning" redundant or, at least, pedantically over-
>precise? In Okrand's discussion on times of the day (st.klingon June 29,
>1997), {pem po} is not found among the combinations:
Indeed, but it's not just {pem po}; it's {tujbogh 'ej nI'bogh pem po}. I
think the relative clauses justify the inclusion of {pem} here, since they're
really describing the whole of the midsummer day, of which {po} then selects
a particular part. I don't think {tujbogh 'ej nI'bogh po} is as clear (though
that's just my opinion).
jIghItlhpu':
>I agree that you're probably best off steering well clear of {yoHbogh
>matlhbogh je SuvwI'} for the moment, since it's clearly anomalous.
mujang Voragh:
>Although it is poetical, and this is a {gha'tlhIq}.
That's certainly true. I'd prefer to see it used in the body of the poem,
though. Perhaps the following:
Qoy, *'aSghotlh puqloD.
Qoy, puqbe'pu'.
charbogh SuDbogh je tlherwI'
wa' 'I'wIjDaq vItu'.
:)
ghItlhtaH:
>Since the summer solstice is by definition the longest day (June 21 in Earth's
>Northern Hemisphere) - and the phrase we're translating is "One Midsummer
>Morning" - why not drop {nI'} "be long" and go with a string of nouns (and
>numbers) as your date-stamp:
>
> poH tuj bI'reS wa' po
>
>I'm not sure about the placement of {wa'} "one",
I don't think you need it. {poH tuj bI'reS po} would work just as well. Or simply
{poH tuj po}, similar to what I did in my version. (And if {poH tuj bI'reS} would
be understood by a Klingon to mean the day of the summer solstice, then {wa' po}
is redundant as well - the day only has one morning, after all.)
QeS 'utlh