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RE: Except, Spite, despite, apart from

Terrence Donnelly ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Steven Boozer <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: Except, Spite, despite, apart from
> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:20 PM
> Fiat Knox:
> >A further reflection: "hate, detest (v)" is muS. This,
> for me, yielded
> >the sentence
> >
> >  qabDaj muSmo' ghIchDaj teqta'
> >
> >- He cut off his nose to spite (because he hated) his
> face.
> Hmm... {teq} "remove".  Try {poDmoH} "clip" (not the
> same as {chip} "cut, trim [hair]").  *{pe'chu'}
> "perfectly cut, cut through, etc." could also work.
> 
> 
> >Until someone tells me what the noun for hatred,
> detestation (spite?) is,
> >I guess I'll have to continue to work around it like
> this.
> 
> There's no simple noun, so I would go the {-ghach}
> route:  *{muStaHghach}, *{muSqu'ghach}, etc.
>  

"To spite" seems to carry the notion of "to thwart", often with negative concequences to the spiter: "He did it to spite me" ~ "He harmed himself to cause me greater harm."  I don't know any Klingon word(s) with those implications (which is odd, since that seems very Klingon!).  But "despite" is really just a synomym for "although": "Despite his help, we conquered" ~ "Although he helped us, we conquered."  The various ways of showing an ironic contrast that have already been suggested seem adequate to express this.

-- ter'eS

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