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RE: use of DIng

Steven Boozer (sboozer@uchicago.edu)



lay'tel SIvten:
>>>I couldn't find any canon for it. Since merely adding {-moH} 
>>>would make it the transitive version, I hope it's the intran-
>>>sitive meaning. If it's the transitive meaning already, then
>>>it's a lot harder to get the intransitive meaning.

Voragh:
>> There's no canon for {Ding} "spin" - or {tlhe'} "turn"
>> either.  Like lay'SIv, I imagine they both work like
>> {jIr} "rotate, twirl" vs. {jIrmoH} "twirl X, cause X to
>> rotate".  (The context in KGT p.59-60 was specifically
>> about bat'leth movements, but I imagine {jIrmoH} can be used
>> for other things as well.)

ter'eS:
>I'm tending to think you are right on philosophical grounds: since
>Klingons prefer action, they probably prefer to be the actor rather than
>the one acted upon, so the simple stem of most verbs would describe the
>subject as performing (or experiencing) the verb (the intransitive
>usage), with {-moH} available for when you want to refer to the agency
>that causes them to undergo the verb (transitive). By that reasoning, for
>verbs we have no canon for that can go either way in English, my default
>assumption would be that they are intransitive in Klingon. 

I agree.  It's efficient, it takes advantage of the {-moH} (cause) suffix and it works.  It may not be right for every specific verb, of course, but we have no way of knowing without any context or further information from Okrand.  

>If my memory wasn't so bad, I'd cite some examples!

Some more movement-type examples:

DoH      back away from, back off, get away from
DoHmoH   drive back

laq      flap (intransitive)
laqmoH   flap (transitive)

   Maltz pointed out that, in flight, a bird's wings {laq} (the bird
   is said to {laqmoH} its wings)... (HQ 10.4)

pum      fall
pummoH   knock down

ron      roll (i.e. aircraft)
ronmoH   bank, cause to roll 

 
-- 
Voragh                          
Canon Master of the Klingons







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