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Re: Adverb placement (was Re: The topic marker -'e')

ghunchu'wI' (

On Nov 26, 2009, at 1:56 PM, David Trimboli wrote:

> Again, Okrand has never used an adverbial in the same sentence as  
> {'e'}
> or {net}, so it's hard to be sure how this works.

Skybox S26, {lursa' be'etor je}, contains a relevant -- and  
troublesome -- example:
{DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS  
be'nI'pu' lurSa' be'etor je.}
"The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor, are constantly  
seeking a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon  
High Council."

Stripped down to its essentials, this is {luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH}.   
{reH} indeed follows the object pronoun here.  But we also see an  
aspect suffix on the second verb, which TKD says never happens, so  
the example is not obviously using correct grammar.  I choose to  
interpret TKD's "never happens" as prescriptive (or proscriptive, in  
this case), and in the absence of further information I will not  
emulate this contradictory example.

If {'e' reH} is actually a valid order, its failure to obey the  
standard "adverbials come before objects" rule can be handwaved away  
by pointing to the rule that says objects bearing {-'e'} may come  
before the adverbial and suggesting that either 1) the similarity  
between {'e'} and {-'e'} results in a common error that has become  
standard usage, or 2) {'e'} has always had an implicit "topic"  
meaning that lets it be fronted.

-- ghunchu'wI'

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