tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jun 25 07:47:45 2009
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RE: [KLBC?] word order and sentence in General.
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: [KLBC?] word order and sentence in General.
- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:46:16 -0500
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Thorwald Peeters <[email protected]> wrote:
>> qavan, ghoj[moH]wI'pu' QeDwI'pu' je
ghunchu'wI':
>({QeD} is a noun. You probably want to say {tejpu'}.)
{HaDwI'} ("one who studies", scholar?) works too. AFAIK it's not listed in any published glossary, but Okrand has used it at least twice:
qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'.
[Okrand to SuStel on msn.onstage.startrek.expert.Okrand 11/1996]
tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'
[Okrand's inscription in ghunchu'wI's TKD]
[ghunchu'wI', is that accurate?]
>> Hoch jajmey rur DaHjaj. jIcheghbej, yIHonQo'
>> Heute ist wie alle Tage, ich komm wieder, keine Frage!
>> Today is like any other day, I'll be back. without a doubt.
>
>(Since {-bej} already carries the idea of certainty, {yIHonQo'} might be
>considered overkill, but that's more of a stylistic decision than a
>grammatical one.)
I agree with ghunchu'wI' et al.: {bej} is enough, especially as Okrand glossed it as "undoubtedly" in TKD and explained it in PK as being used when there is no doubt in your mind as to the accuracy of the statement". E.g.
chImbej
It is undoubtedly empty. TKD
These "qualifying suffixes" carry a lot of meaning. So much so that we're tempted to add redundant words when translating, probably because using just a single syllable feels somehow insufficient.
If you really wanted to flex your Klingon muscles, use the slang verb {bej} "be sure, be definite, be positive, be certain":
Hoch jajmey rur DaHjaj. jIchegh; jIbej.
Hoch jajmey rur DaHjaj. jIchegh 'e' vIbej.
KGT 145: The verb {bej} literally means "watch", though its slang usage is probably influenced by the verb suffix {-bej} ("certainly, undoubtedly" ...). It is used in such forms as {jIbej} ("I am positive [about something I just said"]--literally, "I watch") or {bIbej'a'} ("Are you sure?"--literally, "Do you watch?"). Unlike the verb {na'} ("be salty"), which has an identical slang meaning (see below), the verb {bej} may be used when there is an object: {HIvrup 'e' vIbej} ("I am positive they're ready to attack"; literally, "I watch that they're ready to attack"). The notions expressed by {bej} can be conveyed without slang with a word such as {Honbe'} ("not doubt") or by making use of the verb suffix {-bej}, as in {HIvrupbej} ("They're certainly ready to attack").
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Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons