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Re: chay' "Get out of the way!" ra'lu'?

Doq (

It's clear I'm a minority of one here, and I generally don't encourage  
people to be minorities of one. I'm a little torn, because I  
definitely think this horse looks pretty dead to me, and I'm tired of  
kicking it, but I also think that people take the word {ghoS} too  
generally, thinking of it as a generic "go" word, when Okrand really  
seems to want to give it a relationship to a path that is genuinely  
alien to any human word.

This struck me when he mentioned that locations specified as objects  
(either with or without {-Daq} or {-vo'}) really were just labels for  
the path being traveled, much like we say stuff like "Country Club  
Road" for a road that goes by the country club, even if that's not its  
official name. You don't actually {ghoS} to the country club. You  
{ghoS} along the path that includes the country club.

That's the alien part. It's not the way we humans think.

It works to {ghoS} along a river, since the river is itself a course  
or path. {HewIjvo' yIghoS} is naming the path I want you to travel  
along after another path I don't want you to travel on. It's just a  
clash in a level of abstraction that I think people are ignoring.

My path is not a marker after which one would name your path.

{jIHvo' yIghoS!} would probably be closer to what you really mean,  
since you name paths after points on the path, or after a name the  
path has itself. It seems weird to name a path after a different path  
that has only one intersection point.

I will now consider myself to have fought the good fight and explained  
my gut-level idea as far as it can be explained. If the spark catches  
no kindling, so be it. I tried. I'm okay failing now and then. My  
holistic sense of being does not hinge on acquiring acceptance of this  

I had hoped it would spark interesting ideas rather than simply bother  
people, which seems to have been its only effect.

Do'Ha'. taH yIn.


On Jun 1, 2009, at 10:06 PM, DloraH wrote:

>> I've always thought of {ghoS} to mean to move along a path. It's
>> object (direct or indirect) tends to be a location along the path.
>> So {Hevo' ghoS!} strikes me as remarkably odd. I'm sure it's just my
>> odd interpretation of {ghoS}.
> I see that SuStel already touched on what I was planning on  
> mentioning as I worked my way through
> the thread, but I figured I would still chime in and add another  
> voice to the point...
> You can still think of ghoS as associated with a path/course.  The  
> confusion here is that there are
> two paths involved.  The {Hevo'} mentioned could be more  
> appropriately put as {HewIjvo'}.  Even in
> English sometimes people say "Get out of the way" instead of "Get  
> out of my way".  The other person
> still has their own path/course on which they ghoS; you are  
> basically telling them to alter their
> course to avoid a collision.  And in canon we see that one can ghoS  
> a new course.
> DloraH

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