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Re: pIqaD bom

Renee Scherer (tlharin@gmail.com)



Woops--I think that qagh- is more popularly known as "x".
--R

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com>wrote:

> Interesting. You placed qagh- on a previously unknown-to-me note.
> And introduced yet another English ending.
> I'm starting to think that no one sings this song the same way (I was
> introduced to a peculiar UK version last night).
> ~naHQun
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> -Michael Roney, Jr.
> Professional Klingon translator
> http://twitter.com/roneyii
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> --Sent from my Palm PrÄ?Renee Scherer wrote:
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> Quite true--sorry.  How's this?
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> http://s919.photobucket.com/albums/ad31/tlharin/?action=view&amp;current=KLI_alphabet_song.jpg
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> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. &lt;nahqun@gmail.com<lt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com>
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> > Sadly this is a plain text list.
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> > You'll have to post the pic somewhere and link to it.
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> > Flickr or Photobucket would work.
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> > ~naHQun
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> > -Michael Roney, Jr.
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> > Professional Klingon translator
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> > http://twitter.com/roneyii
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> > --Sent from my Palm PrÄ?Renee Scherer wrote:
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> > If anyone else is more visual, I placed the originally-suggested mapping
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> > existent song (used one new line suggestion as well)--hope it attaches.
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> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. &
> amp;lt;nahqun@gmail.com <amp%3Blt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com>&
> lt;lt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com <lt%3Blt%253Bnahqun@gmail.com>>
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> > > My line breaks or pauses are just the way my brain processes the song.
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> > > If it doesn't make sense, just break them somewhere else.
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> > > -Michael Roney, Jr.
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> > > --Sent from my Palm PrÄ?Mark J. Reed wrote:
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> > > On 7/29/09, Michael Roney, Jr. &amp;amp;lt;nahqun@gmail.com<amp%3Bamp%3Blt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com>
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> > &amp;lt;lt%3Bnahqun@gmail.com <amp%3Blt%3Blt%253Bnahqun@gmail.com> &
> lt;lt%3Blt%253Bnahqun@gmail.com <lt%3Blt%253Blt%25253Bnahqun@gmail.com>>>>
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> > > > While my wife has recently informed me of the similarities between
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> > > > and Twinkle, Twinkle; I have never compared the two in this manner.
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> > > > --Sent from my Palm PrÄ?Steven Boozer wrote:
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> > > >>Not getting the scansion.  I learned the English as follows:
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> > > >>A,B,C,D,E,F,G.      (Twinkle twinkle little star)
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> > > >>(and) T,U,V         (the world so high)
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> > > Mark J. Reed &amp;amp;lt;markjreed@gmail.com<amp%3Bamp%3Blt%3Bmarkjreed@gmail.com>
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> > lt;lt%3Bmarkjreed@gmail.com <lt%3Blt%253Bmarkjreed@gmail.com> &
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> Renee Scherer
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> ischerer@umich.edu
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> tlharin@gmail.com
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> (224) 717-1894
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> University of Michigan
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-- 
Renee Scherer

ischerer@umich.edu
tlharin@gmail.com
(224) 717-1894
University of Michigan





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