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Re: Klingon orthography (was: Okrand at qep'a')
- From: Doq <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Klingon orthography (was: Okrand at qep'a')
- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:06:41 -0400
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The missing pieces of this story are:
1. KLI has special permission from Viacom to do what we do. They
published our Hamlet. They let us do stuff that other groups have to
pay many thousands of dollars in licensing fees do, and they give us
that permission for free.
2. Okrand has explicitly stated that Okuda is the man who "knows"
pIqaD. Okuda uses the pIqaD characters to "greek" any displays in the
movies or TV shows. He has no interest in making it ever an actual
written language. He just designs things, trying to make them look
alien.
3. The Skybox cards were an apparent exception to item 2. The pIqaD
parts actually do spell what the romanized characters spell for the
Klingon parts, according to the same character mapping that we use in
our fan-based alphabet.
4. Okrand says that the romanized font is merely a human
representation of spoken Klingon. It is not a character mapping for
pIqaD, which is the Klingon writing form that only Okuda "knows" how
to use.
5. Okrand doesn't want to mess with Okuda. The KLI doesn't want to
mess with Okrand.
So, anything that is done with pIqaD to actually represent written
Klingon stuff is purely fan-based stuff that by necessity can't
attract Viacom's attention, or we lose #1, and nobody wants that.
It would be nice to develop it farther, but unless the interface for e-
mail and keyboards makes a dramatic leap to make it easier to type and
read piqaD, it's highly unlikely to happen.
Doq
On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Michael Roney, Jr. wrote:
> toH! I just thought of a reason on why *I* would support a reform!
> Copyright/Trademark.
>
>
> We are constantly talking about how Paramount/CBS "owns" the Klingon
> language, yet shouldn't be able to own the language.
>
> Yes, they own the word "Klingon". Yes, they're willing to fight for
> it.
>
> They /might/ own the word <tlhIngan>. None of us have decided to
> fight them for it.
>
> They *do not* own the word "xifan".
>
> I am unaware of ANY officially liscensed Trek product containing the
> word "xifan".
>
> If Okrand, on his own and without any word from CBS, were to approve
> a reform, we could move away from the copyrighted system and onto a
> free system. Okrand's approval is necessary to prevent factions.
>
> As long as "Klingon" is avoided, we're free.
>
>
> Just a thought...
>
>
> ~naHQun
>
>
>
> -Michael Roney, Jr.
> Professional Klingon translator
> http://twitter.com/roneyii
>
> --Sent from my Palm Pre
>
>
>