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Re: Apology and continued search

David Trimboli (david@trimboli.name) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



Steven Boozer wrote:

> I admit that I haven't been following this and all the other related 
> threads in detail, but what about:
> 
>    veng vIDabbogh 'oH CHICAGO'e'.
>    Chicago is the city where I live/dwell.
>    Chicago is the city in which (wherein) I dwell/reside.
>    ("Chicago is the city that I inhabit.")
> 
>    yuQ wIghoStaHbogh 'oH Qo'noS'e'.
>    Kronos is the planet where we are headed.
>    Kronos is the planet we are going to.
>    ("Kronos is the planet that we are approaching".)
> 
> Of course, this only works with verbs with a "built in" locative sense -- 
> like {Dab} "reside in/at, dwell in/at, inhabit" or {ghoS} "follow a course, 
> proceed, come toward, approach" off the top of my head.  Can anyone think 
> of other such verbs?

Okrand confirmed (HolQeD 7:4) that the verbs ghoS, jaH, 'el, leng, and 
paw can take locatives as their objects, but adding {-Daq} to the object 
is marked because it's redundant (but legal). A locative header 
indicates WHERE the action is happening, while a locative or 
non-locative noun indicates the TARGET of the action.

He also comments on the verbs bav, Dech, ngaS, and vegh, saying that 
they don't need {-Daq} on their objects. He doesn't say that's wrong, 
just that you don't need them.

I have no doubt that {Dab} would also be one of those words that allow a 
redundant locative suffix on the object, as you suggest.

SuStel
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