tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Aug 08 07:32:57 2007

Back to archive top level

To this year's listing

• Index by Date
• Index by Thread
• Index by Author

Re: from-to

Terrence Donnelly ([email protected])

• From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
• Subject: Re: from-to
• Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
• Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W6cXOJ5441DgKpg3XjpxB/vGEfoSudbk8bbInJk7kuwGwV9S7p+LUMTuPsCimWD91ETDzkiFCnf/nLGi/xGM+YU9OH+Jq+Adky+Cwh9944eRM6K3WvZS5hBCJyeMvdxTWmoHo7fDrqpOiZWCXfyXZNAtC3rjrKoMSaiQKeFmFJU=;
• In-reply-to: <[email protected]>

I recall when Okrand came up with the idea of motion
verbs with inherent objects, and it was kind of a
mess, relating it to his previous examples.  My rule
of thumb when old information just can't be reconciled
with new is to assume that the new has superceded the
old.

-- ter'eS

--- QeS 'utlh <[email protected]> wrote:

> ghItlhpu' Voragh, ja':
> >   naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
> >   Can we get to the Great Hall from here? PK
> 
> Interestingly, this example seems to contradict
> Okrand's statements in HQ 
> 7:4. For "Can we get to the Great Hall from here?",
> one would expect 
> {naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq wIjaHlaH'a'}. As written, the
> sentence seems to mean 
> "Can we go from here in the Great Hall?".
> 
> >   juHqo' Qo'noSvo' loghDaq lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu'
> >   During the (aggressive) expansion of the Klingon
> people from
> >   their homeworld of Kronos into space... SP1
> 
> The translation "into" here also appears to
> contradict Okrand, but is 
> certainly able to be interpreted with {loghDaq} as
> an ordinary locative 
> header rather than as a {-Daq}-marked "direct"
> object: "while they expand 
> *in* space" (i.e. while they expand the space
> holdings which they had 
> already) rather than "while they expand *into*
> space" (i.e. from the surface 
> of their world to space for the first time).
> 
> QeS 'utlh
> tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pab po'wI' / Grammarian of the
> Klingon Language 
> Institute
> 
> 
> not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
> (Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
>      - Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
> 
>
_________________________________________________________________
> Advertisement: Roast a Rock Star: watch video
> interviews with hot music acts 
>
http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=809&referral=hotmailtagline&URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roastarockstar
> 
> 
> 
> 

• Follow-Ups:
  • Re: from-to
    • From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>

• References:
  • Re: from-to
    • From: "QeS 'utlh" <[email protected]>

• Prev by Date: Re: Klingon WOTD: HaD (verb)
• Next by Date: Re: from-to
• Previous by thread: Re: from-to
• Next by thread: Re: from-to
• Index(es):
  • Date
  • Thread
  • Author

Back to archive top level