tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jan 23 05:55:53 2006
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Re: "my name is" (was Re: loy)
- From: "QeS 'utlh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: "my name is" (was Re: loy)
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:55:34 +1000
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jIja'pu':
>{QeS 'oH pongwIj'e'} "my name is QeS"
>This is the only 100% correct way of saying one's name that we know of.
mujang ghunchu'wI':
>jIQoch. pIm chovnatlh wIghajbogh: <'roD 'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu' neH>
>vaj lughba' <jIHvaD ghunchu'wI' ponglu'> qar'a'?
chovnatlhvetlh vItu'be'pu'! choSovmoHmo' qatlho'.
ja'taH:
>(And I've always felt that the way you did it sounds backwards, but that's
>a very old debate that I have no desire to reopen today.)
TKD mIw 'oH neH. I would imagine that, naturally, the two nouns could be
reversed: {pongwIj 'oH QeS'e'}. I guess it comes back to this given/new
distinction that Lawrence referred to a couple of weeks back: the new
information is usually the more emphasised, and so in the copular construct
the new information should probably be in the subject position, with {-'e'}.
Is that what you mean?
jIja'taH:
>"I call myself" requires two objects and a subject, which in Klingon is
>not normally possible, as a verb only licenses one subject and one
>object argument at a time.
mujangtaH ghunchu'wI", ja':
>By this reasoning, "I give the officer the knife" would not be possible in
>Klingon either. We know that not to be the case, and the way to do it
>exactly parallels the {juHqo' ponglu'} example, using {-vaD}
>for the beneficiary of the action.
I can't fault your argument. DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu'. I was going
on the basis of "I call myself" being {jIpong'egh}, which can't take an
additional object.
jIja'taH:
>There may be another grammatical way, using {pong} as a
>verb, but we don't know it.
mujangtaH, ja':
>Um...yes, we do. Skybox card S27 {Qo'noS} gives it to us.
>{...'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu'...} "...it is called the Homeworld..."
Ah, the things one says in ignorance... HIvqa' veqlargh. Again, thanks for
bringing this to my attention. It seems I should make sure that my canon
database does, in fact, have all the Skybox cards in it.
QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pabpo' / Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
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