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Re: par' vs. muS?

Steven Boozer ([email protected])



Shane MiQogh:
>So in other words, wether par/parHa' could be used in this situation is 
>yet to be defined and no one can say it can or can't be used in this 
>manor? I'd prefer to allow "par" to be used in this manor,

There's a phrase from an article about Klingon which appeared in "The 
Guardian" which may be relevant:

   Bulgaria/Italy vIparHa' jIH
   Personally, I fancy Bulgaria/Italy.

At least, it's certainly the way I use {parHa'}.

(I've never been able to confirm the Klingon in that article by Ian Katz 
[ca. 1990] was actually by Okrand, but it certainly "feels" right.)

>since it appears that it is the only short and direct way to imply a more 
>"innocent" idea such as "I like your presence" without taking the time to 
>say "bISum vItIv."

Don't forget {'e'}:

   bISum 'e' vItIv.

For a native speaker, the two phrases are automatic and would take 
virtually the same amount of time to say.  For that matter, these work just 
as well:

   bISummo' jIQuch.
   I'm happy you're near (me).

   bISummo' jIbel.
   I'm pleased that you're near (me).

>Things like "I like you" and "i hate you" and "i don't care" are phrases 
>that are ment to said quickly and as short as possible. I don't know why, 
>but it always *MUST* have a quick way to say it... well, it just seems 
>that way to me from what i've seen... and choDuQ might be taken offencivly 
>as well... lol A way to say "i love him/her"

FYI:  Among Klingonists, a common way to say this is {bangwI' SoH} "you are 
my love (loved one)", {bangwI' ghaH} s/he is my love", etc. - which avoids 
the problem of which verb to use.

>though in certain cases are stressed to have stronger meannig with a more 
>lengthy phrase. in this case "belmey HoS vIghaj ghaHvaD" would work as 
>well. And that work more for a child such a small age. I don't think you 
>want to say a 2 or 3 year old child (or younger even) pleases you

"I have strong pleasures for him/her" ??

Even if Klingons would say this, the indirect object has to precede the OVS 
string:

   ghaHvaD belmey HoS vIghaj

>sexually. lol And a nice phrase comes to mind "puqloDwI', qaparHa'qu'."

This works.  My examples with {bang} are probably inappropriate to use WRT 
children.




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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons






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