tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Oct 16 07:50:57 2003
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Re: KLBC: QojmeH
- From: "Se'noj le'umaS" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: QojmeH
- Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:52:05 +0600
I am wondering, if you would like to join the other team that just started
(Me and ...Paul), in translating this. We are going to go through,
translating the work a line at a time. We've only just started, discussing
it via private emails, rather than on the list. If so, please send me
confirmation of it via direct email. Or, if you don't want to, we can work
parallel, and compare notes at the end...
Which translation/source are you using to translate from?
>I hope this version is better than my last try. Comments are welcome. Is it
>OK to call Sun Tzu *Sunchu'*? Does it give the right feeling? Is the term
>mIw'a' OK as tao?
I looked at the original texts, as well as I could, and the name 'Sun Tzu'
is a bad and wrong translitteration. The name is much closer to 'SunZi', so
I was thinking something like {SunSI'} or {SuntlhI'}.
I personally beleive that {mIw'a'} is a very good word for Tao, which traces
its meaning to the Chinese for 'way'.
I will leave the rest of this for dissection by more knowledgeable and
skilled translators, that we may all learn.
Se'noj
>taHjaj wo'
>HaDoq
>
>QojmeH
>qon *Sunchu'*
>
>'ay' wa'
>nablu'
>
>1. jatlh *Sunchu'*: wo'vaD 'ut QojmeH mIw
>
>2. yIn Hegh ghap wuqlaHbej, yay He, QIH He ghap wIvlaHchu'.
>vaj yIqelchu', yIbuSHa'Qo'
>
>3. vagh Qu'mey pabqu' QojmeH mIw, not choH Qu'meyvam.
>che'ronDaq Dotlh Daperchu' 'e' DanIDtaHvIS 'ej
>bInabtaHvIS, Qu'meyvam tIbuS
>
>4. luperlu': (wa') mIw'a' (cha') muD (wej) yav
>(loS) ra'wI' (vagh) nab Sun je
>
>5. nugh rewbe'pu' qumwI' je tay'moHqu' mIw'a'. qumwI'chaj
>lulob, Heghqang chaH, 'ej ghIjlaHbe' Qob
>
>6. ram pem je, Hat bIr, Hat tuj je, poHHom poH'a' je 'oS
>muD
>
>7.chuq chuq'a' chuqHom je, Qob roj je, yotlh 'och je,
>yIn 'eb, Hegh 'eb je ngaS yav
>
>8. mIw'a' yajchu' ra'wI', 'Il, vIDHa', yoH, 'ej moSQo' ghaH
>
>9. mangghom 'ay'meyna' vu'lu'DI', yaSpu'vaD patlh noblu'DI',
>mangghomvaD tep ngeHmeH Quv SImlu'DI', QI' Huch malja'
>Huqchu'DI', nab Sun je qellu'bej
>
>10. vagh qechmeyvam yajnISchu' Hoch Sa'. Sovchugh Sa',
>Qapbej Sa'. Sovbe'chugh Sa', lujbej Sa'
>
>11. vaj, QI' Dotlh DanoHmeH ghu' DachovDI', cha' ghol
>tIqIm 'ej yIghel'egh:
>
>(a) cha' che'wI'pu' DaqelDI', mIw'a' ghajqu' 'Iv?
>
>(b) cha' Sa'pu' DaqelDI', laH nIv ghaj 'Iv?
>
>(c) wa''e' luQaHbogh Cej luQanbogh muD yav je yIngu'!
>
>(d) nuq 'ay'mey Sun HochHom ghaj?
>
>(e) nuq mangghom nIv law' Hoch nIv puS?
>
>(f) nuq 'ay'mey yaSmey negh je qeqchu'?
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