tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jan 23 00:39:04 2003
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Re: KLBC prayer
ghItlh ngabwI':
>I didn't want to go with {-jaj} b/c in the prayer, it is a statement.
>"Hallowed be thy name"
Well, this really means "may it be hallowed". This is very old english. If I'd say "Safe be thy voyage", wouldn't you understand it
as a wish for you to have a safe trip?
By the way, I've got the "New Living Translation", and there it's "may your name be honored".
>Sorry, Mis-{ghItlh}-ed. (ghItlhHa'pu'?)
correct.
{jIghItlhHa'}
"I mis-write"
>Should be {Daloblu'}- you are obeyed in this world and...
Okay. (if {lob} can take an object)
>> > pImawchugh, vaj yInoDQo'...
>> literally:
>> "if we offend you, so don't retaliate; "
>
>Got it. I'll take out {vaj}.
You don't have to, but you can.
We have an example from TKW where {vaj} follows {-chugh}
{bIje'be'chugh vaj bIHegh}
"Buy or die"
(lit. "if you do not buy, then you die")
>Wasn't sure if it was transitive, or how to say "to sin against".
Hm...
>> I don't see what you mean with {ghotlhu'be'moH}
>> literally: "cause us to be not tempted"
>> It can't be "but deliver us from evil"
>Well, that's what I was shooting for, at least. I figured that as opposed to
>being delivered from evil, a Klingon would prefer to simply never be put in
>the situation to begin with.
I understand. jIyaj.
>Besides, I kinda liked the two different
>meanings being communicated with a simple shift in the position of {be'}.
Which don't work anymore because you need {-Qo'} :-(
>I didn't use {'ach} because it always seemed
>to me that one was asking for both.
Yes, to me too, but in the text there is a "but".
Shortly, it says "don't tempt us, but free us from evil" or "instead of tempting us, free us from evil"
(Maybe there is no "and" here, because the sentence already started with "and"... only Jesus knows ;-)
>> > HovpoH 704586.6
>> What kind of stardate is this?
>
>It is based partially on the system invented by SuStel,
"invented"? Hm-Hm... maybe, adapted ;-)
>If you would like more info, I would
>be more than happy to discuss it off-list.
tlhIngan Hol wIlo'chugh QInghomvamDaq HovpoHlIj wIqel 'e' chaw'lu'bej!
>TY for asking.
qay'be'
>jIpawta', jIleghta', vISopta'
nuq DaSopta'?
Quvar
Beginners' Grammarian
ghojwI'pu'wI' vISaH