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Re: jIH vIchuHlu' - Words mentioned earlier but not in the New Words list?

I fully accept it is your call and I can especially see what you meant about
names... Maybe my mistake was including the email I did... Perhaps the
question would have better been supported If I'd specified particular words
I'd looked up. I did say that attached email was just an example of those
previously discussed. I included the email purely to demonstrate that the
discussion wasn't new and people wouldn't get all excited about it for no
reason.. After checking my list archives on the subject I was still left
with what I considered a valid question, so I asked it.

The purpose of my question to the list was, is the source considered canon
because it was vetted by MO.. Not, what has anybody done wrong.  We are
often told that if we have the books and the new word list we will have all
canon words (You restate this yourself in your reply to my general query)...
It was because I value the list you maintain that leant me to question the
validity of the source material in question.. That question remains
unanswered.

Re the word I had looked up, perhaps I should have further specified that
the words I didn't have any record of that I had looked up. But the question
is still valid. Is the source considered canon by the KLI.

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>


> > It might seem a bit late in the day but I have recently just been given
> > "Diplomatic Implausibility" by Keith R.A. DeCandido.
> >
> > I searched back on this list to find many emails referring to words
listed
> > in the glossary like this one below.. Many say the spelling was provided
by
> > Marc Okrand in fact the acknowledgements state that he helped and indeed
> > vetted the glossary.. Doesn't this then make the words canon? if so
> > shouldn't they be listed in the New Words list at
> > /tlh/newwords.html ?
>
> That list does not include word in TKD or KGT. Beyond that, it is my
judgement
> call as to whether or not to include them. For the most part, I take all
> verifiable source words, with the occasional exception of proper names,
for the
> same reason regular dictionaries inconsistently include proper names. It
is the
> judgement call of the editor in any dictionary, lest it become a huge list
of
> names instead of a reference book of words.
>
> If a proper name is something likely to be commonly used by the population
the
> dictionary is intended for, sometimes that name will appear in the
dictionary.
> Otherwise, it is not. Years ago, I struggled with these decisions. Now, I
care
> less and the decision is easier to make. It's arbitrary, and it is my
call. If
> a concerned group thought I made a wrong call, they could contact me about
it
> and I'll reconsider it. Otherwise, I'm okay with my judgements. SOMEBODY'S
got
> to do it. Why not me?
>
> > Of those I've searched for I've not
> > found any.  This made me wonder if they can be used? If none of the
above
> > shouldn't the words at least appear in the Extended Corpus Project?
>
> Looking quickly at the list, I see words that exist in TKD or KGT. I'll
address
> each below.
>
> > qe'San
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Boozer" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Planet names
> >
> >
> > > ro'Han asked:
> > >
> > > : Can someone please enlighten me as to which of these planets are
Klingon
> > > : colonies, and which are not?
> > >
> > > AFAIK, the Klingon colony/subject worlds are:
> > >
> > >     QI'tomer        Khitomer
>
> TKD addendum.
>
> > >     nImbuS wej      Nimbus III
>
> TKD addendum
>
> > >     rura' pente'    Rura Penthe
>
> TKD addendum
>
> > > Klingon planets whose spellings were provided by Okrand for Keith R.A.
> > > DeCandido's novel _Diplomatic Implausibility_ include:
> > >
> > >     HuDyuQ          "a mountainous Klingon planet"
>
> This is a fairly simple compound noun. Maybe it is a proper name. Maybe
not. I
> can't tell from this context. Until I understand what this word is
supposed to
> mean, I don't feel like entering it into the list.
>
> > >     tay'ghoqor      Ty'Gokor
>
> This is a proper name I've never seen in any other source. I don't feel a
need
> to put it in the New Words List.
>
> > > Possible Klingon colony worlds are:
> > >
> > >     toqvIr          Tokviria (planet?) KGT
>
> Again, this is a proper name, and not one in sufficiently common usage
that I
> felt compelled to put it in the list.
>
> Let me be clear here:
>
> The New Words List is not intended to be a collection place for people who
> collect words as if they were trading cards for a game. It is a tool for
> Klingon speakers who want the official, functional vocabulary for the
language.
> Combine it with TKD and KGT, and you get the full list of words people can
use
> to express ideas. That does not need to include every proper name that has
ever
> been used in canon.
>
> There is a second word list that collects this sort of thing, including
words
> that have nothing to do with Okrand's language. I don't maintain that
list.
>
> The words I've chosen to not include above are words that you couldn't use
to
> most Klingon speakers without having to explain to them what you were
talking
> about, so why put them in a dictionary?
>
> > >     SermanyuQ       Sherman's Planet
>
> That's in TKD.
>
> > > I imagine, though, that the issue of Sherman's Planet has long been
> > settled by
> > > the 24th century!  Still, we don't absolutely know to whom the
Organians
> > > finally awarded the planet.  (Klingon agent Arne Darvon's poisoning of
the
> > > quadrotricale on Deep Space Station K7 may not have decided the matter
in
> > favor
> > > of the Federation.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Voragh
> > > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
> Will
>

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