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Re: jIH vIchuHlu' - Words mentioned earlier but not in the New Words list?

> It might seem a bit late in the day but I have recently just been given
> "Diplomatic Implausibility" by Keith R.A. DeCandido.
> I searched back on this list to find many emails referring to words listed
> in the glossary like this one below.. Many say the spelling was provided by
> Marc Okrand in fact the acknowledgements state that he helped and indeed
> vetted the glossary.. Doesn't this then make the words canon? if so
> shouldn't they be listed in the New Words list at
> /tlh/newwords.html ? 

That list does not include word in TKD or KGT. Beyond that, it is my judgement 
call as to whether or not to include them. For the most part, I take all 
verifiable source words, with the occasional exception of proper names, for the 
same reason regular dictionaries inconsistently include proper names. It is the 
judgement call of the editor in any dictionary, lest it become a huge list of 
names instead of a reference book of words.

If a proper name is something likely to be commonly used by the population the 
dictionary is intended for, sometimes that name will appear in the dictionary. 
Otherwise, it is not. Years ago, I struggled with these decisions. Now, I care 
less and the decision is easier to make. It's arbitrary, and it is my call. If 
a concerned group thought I made a wrong call, they could contact me about it 
and I'll reconsider it. Otherwise, I'm okay with my judgements. SOMEBODY'S got 
to do it. Why not me?

> Of those I've searched for I've not
> found any.  This made me wonder if they can be used? If none of the above
> shouldn't the words at least appear in the Extended Corpus Project?

Looking quickly at the list, I see words that exist in TKD or KGT. I'll address 
each below.

> qe'San
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Boozer" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Planet names
> > ro'Han asked:
> >
> > : Can someone please enlighten me as to which of these planets are Klingon
> > : colonies, and which are not?
> >
> > AFAIK, the Klingon colony/subject worlds are:
> >
> >     QI'tomer        Khitomer

TKD addendum.

> >     nImbuS wej      Nimbus III

TKD addendum

> >     rura' pente'    Rura Penthe

TKD addendum

> > Klingon planets whose spellings were provided by Okrand for Keith R.A.
> > DeCandido's novel _Diplomatic Implausibility_ include:
> >
> >     HuDyuQ          "a mountainous Klingon planet"

This is a fairly simple compound noun. Maybe it is a proper name. Maybe not. I 
can't tell from this context. Until I understand what this word is supposed to 
mean, I don't feel like entering it into the list.

> >     tay'ghoqor      Ty'Gokor

This is a proper name I've never seen in any other source. I don't feel a need 
to put it in the New Words List.

> > Possible Klingon colony worlds are:
> >
> >     toqvIr          Tokviria (planet?) KGT

Again, this is a proper name, and not one in sufficiently common usage that I 
felt compelled to put it in the list.

Let me be clear here:

The New Words List is not intended to be a collection place for people who 
collect words as if they were trading cards for a game. It is a tool for 
Klingon speakers who want the official, functional vocabulary for the language. 
Combine it with TKD and KGT, and you get the full list of words people can use 
to express ideas. That does not need to include every proper name that has ever 
been used in canon.

There is a second word list that collects this sort of thing, including words 
that have nothing to do with Okrand's language. I don't maintain that list.

The words I've chosen to not include above are words that you couldn't use to 
most Klingon speakers without having to explain to them what you were talking 
about, so why put them in a dictionary?

> >     SermanyuQ       Sherman's Planet

That's in TKD.

> > I imagine, though, that the issue of Sherman's Planet has long been
> settled by
> > the 24th century!  Still, we don't absolutely know to whom the Organians
> > finally awarded the planet.  (Klingon agent Arne Darvon's poisoning of the
> > quadrotricale on Deep Space Station K7 may not have decided the matter in
> favor
> > of the Federation.)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Voragh
> > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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