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RE: pabmey nap pagh napHa'

rItlhmoQSuvwI' wrote:

>Ok... I guess that because I've seen /nga'chuq/ listed alone I thought
>it was treated as a root verb and that's why I felt OK putting the
>/'egh/ suffix on it.

Those separate entries confused a lot of us for a while, but Okrand has 
explained that those entries consisting of verb + suffix - most often 
{-moH} - were added to make it easier for the non-specialist fan to look 
things up quickly in the glossary, particularly in the English-Klingon 
side.  Someone asked Okrand on startrek.klingon in Nov. 1997 whether {chen} 
"build up, take form, take shape" and {chenmoH} "build, form, make, create" 
are different verbs, and he replied:

   It is, of course, possible to add the suffix {-moH} to lots of verbs; not
   all of the verb + {-moH} combinations are listed in the Dictionary as
   distinct entries. The ones that are listed are there as much as a matter
   of convenience for the user as anything else...  The absence of a verb +
   {-moH} entry in the Dictionary lists does not mean that that particular
   formation cannot be made ...

Of course, he couldn't just leave it at that, and so he goes on to say:

     A problem comes in because some of these forms (that is, some of these
   verb + suffix combinations) are so common, they seem to, in the minds of
   some Klingons anyway, act as if they were simply verb and not verb + suffix
   at all. This seems to happen only when the suffix in question is {-moH}
   "cause". Maltz reports having heard both {quv'eghmoH} "he/she honors him/
   herself", which follows the expected order (verb-Type 1-Type 4: {quv} "be
   honored, {-'egh} "oneself", {-moH} "cause") as well as the weird 
   "he/she honors him/herself", in which the Type 1 suffix {-'egh} "oneself"
   follows the Type 4 suffix {-moH} "cause", an impossible formation unless
   the speaker is considering the verb to be {quvmoH} "honor" and not {quv}
   "be honored".
     Speakers who do this seem to be aware that they are breaking the rules,
   so they are doing it for rhetorical effect. (It has the same sort of 
   perhaps, as if someone were to say in English "Don't cellular phone me this
   afternoon", or "I've been postnasal dripping all morning", or "It's
   lightninging and thundering outside", or, to follow the Klingon example,
   "He/she self-honors".)
     If this sort of thing happens a lot, maybe, in time, the language will
   undergo some sort of reformation; maybe {-moH} will become a Rover. Or
   {quvmoH} and similar forms will become simple (though two-syllable) verbs.
   But neither is the case yet, and while some speakers of Klingon may treat
   them as such, the wisest course is to leave such things to the poets and
   keep -moH in its Type 4 position. Thus, finally and at long last, to
   answer your first specific question, say {vIchennISmoH} for "I need to
   create it".

This doesn't permit *{yInga'chuq'egh}, as two suffixes of the same type 
cannot appear on one verb - except for Rovers.

Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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