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RE: Enterprise



First, a quick question:  Is there any place on the web that has Klingon and 
English texts side by side for comparison, a la _The Klingon Way_?  I think 
that would help me get a better feel for how it's used, especially how to 
recast an English sentence to make it easier to say in Klingon.

> > >Hov leng Sov paqDaq ngoDvam lulaDlu'.
> > >These facts are in the Star Trek Encyclopedia, from Paramount.
> > > Why did you use {ngoDvam} and not {ngoDmeyvam} here?  I'm just a 
>beginner > and I want to know if I'm missing something.

>In the Klingon Dictionary in the section about type 2 noun suffixes 
> >(plurals) it says that plural suffixes are optional.  You can use >them 
>to help clearify ambiguity or possibly emphasize that they ARE >plural (and 
>there are some other special effects that can be done >with -mey).

Unfortunately, I don't have TKD yet - as I said, I only started studying the 
language Saturday, although yesterday (Monday), I went down to my local 
library to see what they had.  They only had KGT and _The Klingon Way_, 
neither of which explicitly discusses grammar.  See, the deal is, I am 
something of an amateur linguist.  I have been wanting to study an artifical 
language for a while.  I briefly considered Tolkien's languages, and even 
went so far as to download a course on Esperanto, then remembered having run 
across the KLI a few years ago.  So I checked it out, and was very impressed 
with the support structure Klingon had (this mailing list, {qep'a'} and 
{qepHommey}, {HolQeD}), compared to Esperanto, which has an annual congress, 
but no centralized publications, and Tolkien's languages, on which I could 
find nothing on more than a local level (and none in my locale).  So I 
decided to go with Klingon.  But the only grammar I've got is what's in the 
6 postal course lessons available in PDF format on the site.  Hopefully, 
I'll be able to get my hands on TKD by the end of the month.  I'd also like 
to get Hamlet.  Does anyone know how KLI's prices compare to bookstore 
prices on those items?

I hope a discussion of Klingon's merits versus other artificial languages 
isn't outside the bounds of the use of English on this list.  I mean, it's 
not grammar or vocabulary, but it is about the Klingon language.

>...And as far as we know, there is not a word >[Sangqar], so it is safe to 
>use as a name.

>There is a message between yours and this reply, from d'Armond that >is 
>about the list's FAQ.  Read the FAQ.  It has a section about >names.

I read the FAQ before I even signed up for the list, and the part about 
Okrand making the word mean something you don't like kind of worried me, 
hence I wanted to make sure that name wasn't already a word.

-Sangqar

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