tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 11 07:22:06 1999
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Re: jubluH'a'?
Alan Anderson wrote:
>
> ja' Ed <[email protected]>:
> > 'u'vo' rupwI' vIQub *entropy*. tlham 'ay' DachoHchugh rupwI' DaDIl
> >
> >"entropy" I think is a tax from universe, you pay the tax if you change
> >component order.
>
> "A tax from the universe" doesn't translate directly into Klingon
> using the noun suffix {-vo'} very well. "The universe's tax" is
> simpler and easier to translate, and has essentially the same idea.
>
> {rupwI'} is closer to a tax collector than to the tax itself. You
> might have better success using verbs as verbs instead of trying to
> squash them into a noun role.
>
> I'm not sure how you intend {tlham 'ay'} to mean "component order".
> If you're invoking the slang usage of {tlham}, note that it refers
> specifically to *social order*, the sort of thing that is described
> by the labels "middle class" or "blue-coller".
>
> The verb {DIl} means "pay for", as in "exchange money for (goods or
> services)". It doesn't refer to the money that is paid.
>
> Your first sentence also has the word order a bit scrambled, and it
> is missing a necessary {'e'} to act as the object of the verb {Qub}.
> However, the words you've chosen to use don't fit very well for the
> meaning you intend, so I won't fall into the trap of trying to fix
> the problems. Instead, I will suggest an alternate phrasing that
> does fit the grammar well.
>
> "The universe apparently levies a tax. If you move something, you
> are taxed."
>
> Try translating this. It should fall into place rather easily.
>
> >pat SoQ 'u'vam Daqelqangchugh.
> >
> >If you are willing to consider this universe is a closed system.
>
> Here, you need {'e'} to be the object of the verb {qel}, and you
> are missing the "is" verb {'oH} in the first part of the phrase.
>
> ...pat SoQ 'oH 'u'vam'e' 'e' Daqelqangchugh.
So that's the verb of the pronoun. The TDK has ('oH) listed as "it" a
pronoun, and in MO's recent posts, I was informed that ('oH) could be
used as "to be".